Vicki Golden, Female Moto X Pioneer and Three-Time X Games Gold Medalist – UNLEASHED Podcast E318

The gnarliest woman in freestyle motocross joins the podcast! UNLEASHED is stoked to welcome 31-year-old action sports pioneer Vicki Golden from El Cajon, California. In the exclusive interview with The Dingo, Danny, and Brittney, the three-time X Games gold medalist details her rise to fame as a gifted woman in a male-dominated sport.

When Vicki Golden fell in love with motocross, the sport offered no female role models or professional athletes. The California native had to blaze her own trail, and in the process became an inspiration to fans across the globe. Raised on a steady diet of motocross racing, Golden won the Amateur Motocross National Championships in 2008. She carried that momentum to claim three X Games gold medals in Women’s Moto X Racing from 2011 to 2013. Her legend grew wings when she made the switch into the rough-and-tumble world of freestyle motocross jumps: Golden broke new ground as the first woman on the legendary Metal Mulisha show team as well as the first woman ever to compete and win a medal in Moto X Best Whip at X Games. Hear the story of the woman who sends it harder than most of the men – only on UNLEASHED!  

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Back when I was racing, there were, you know, maybe five or six that had like true speed and good technique and things like that. And now that number is growing. And now we're starting to see a lot of women racing that have all that. And then even in off-road, I feel like that's kind of where the demographic is right now for women riding is like off-road seeing like a lot of chicks have great speed. And so I'm hoping now that will kind of once the speed is there and then we'll see it kind of go into the jumps and like start tossing because that's like one I'm excited to see is like I want to see that part of it grow because obviously right now it is just me. But it doesn't have to be, you know, like there's opportunities there. So hopefully, you know, we can see some other women capitalize on it. Oh, I've definitely done so hung over in Vegas trying to fly out. And you know, they have like the square, like, yeah, I've been one of those. One time I was there and I made it all the way to the security gate, and I just started drinking like leftover water bottles. I did that. So. GROSS That is good. We're going to keep that in the show cause we're already recording. But, Danny, that is gross. It's not free. Kobe, though. That is still you do not pick up random and still not people's water bottles and drink them. This was Vegas, man. It was a big week. That's exactly a place you don't do it. Yeah. What it was, it was like, Did you put your mouth on the bottle? Oh, I was tongue in on. On that note, we're going to switch gears. My mom, Vicki Golden, is in the house. Danny, you're good. Apart from. No, you're not good. You're not. Okay, You. I'm good. I drink random water bottles that have been laying around the airport security check. It is definitely one of my lowest. You get them all. But I was also really hung over in Vegas. Yeah, well, there you go. And of course, Britney Palmer, as always. And the logos are slowly starting to change around here. I don't think well, noticed. But we finally we got a mat or a what do you call this, a matte a like a cover sheet tablecloth sheet to shake the tablecloth sheets, the appropriate word. I Yeah, it's not a sheet, it's whatever it is. Very nice as I've made it, Mom. Yeah. And then, Danny, there's going to be a new sign coming in. Danny He won that one. So that is going to be his for decoration. That's right. Alcohol is how I see it. Yeah. Some people say, like Lucasian, which is cool too, but. But that's like an Australian if you ask Jack. Oh, Jack, I would be like, Oh you're from L Cajun. Yeah, exactly. That's never I just heard occasion, but it's alcohol. Okay, I got it. Alcohol three top three X-Games gold medals in Women's Moto X 2011 through 2013. First woman to compete in Moto Best Whip at X games with the bronze medal against the boys. That is really sad. Congratulations on that. Big deal, huh? They do because you continue to break barriers. 28 Loretta Lynn's Amateur Motocross National Championships. First woman on Metal Militia. And then the trivia question is pretty cool. The trivia thing is 2019, you set the record for breaking motorcycle fall firewall all during history's epic event through evel Live to where you rode through 13 flaming boards during a live broadcast and beat. Yeah, that lost almost 12 on 27. Whose idea was that? Well, to be honest, like, it wasn't my idea. Yeah, I had different ideas and we kind of just went back and forth with, like, History Channel and stuff, and this is kind of like the record like they wanted. And I wasn't going to say no, But yeah, I just had different ideas and that's kind of like what we settled on for our world record. And yeah, just started going through walls on fire. So that day was I'm trying to remember, was it Travis Pastrana as well, or is that the day Axl was also trying to do the big air Axl was trying to do, I think two different big ears jumps and then set the world record for a ramp to ramp as well. Right. And then he did it, but it wasn't the day of. Yeah, I think too, he probably did it a couple of times like practice leading up and stuff because obviously, like his set up was right next to my set up since we were supposed to go same day. Yeah. And so obviously we were just kind of on this wild ride together and just watching him practice every day and yeah, he, he crushed it, dude. He got, you know, price at the record a couple of times and got comfy and just Yeah, just I feel like it's so gnarly staring at that set up and just what he asked to go through and just, I think he just kind of like the wind kind of caught him just right and he kind of like, anticipated the land. But the fall from the landing is so different. Like for your visual, he probably like, was setting up to land and rise like, Oh, no, I did it too early and yeah, and then plus when catching him just started looping him and uh, dirty gnarly like actually went down. And then how do you practice this for what you did? Just go through some walls on fire and see him on the other side and just keep going, Right? So there's really no. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like you can't like and like, with Axl, like, you're well set at 100 than 200 or, like, 152 on or like, just start baby step. And I like, we just add more walls. Yeah. So I was just like, you know, how many walls can we add for, for a day of practice? And obviously, like the more I practice, the more material we go through and like, so it just kind of became like a minimal practice and just like it was like quantity or quality over quantity and just trying to like just utilize all the mistakes and and make sure we learn each time because we only have so much in so much time and so much material to go through. So we really kind of just started with a couple walls and then went from there. I don't think I did any more than like five or eight. Yeah. And then it was just do the rest when we get there. How far are the walls apart? That's kind of like something we played with of just seeing like how much time I would need to reset and with speed and like just kind of messing with that. But I think I went like around 30, 35 miles an hour and we set them around, I think like 6 to 10 feet apart, something like that. Just enough time or it's not like a mile apart, but still like, you know, still kind of close together. So we just tried to find like a happy medium with all that. Is there a difference of like, once you go through one, you just got it in it and it's you just it's that I feel like if you set it too far apart, you like resetting up. It looked like I remember watching it. It looked like once you went through one, you were just kind of like, All right, a minute. Like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Pretty much. But there is also no out because. Yeah, we're we made it to where it's just, what, in the middle. But what's holding the water up was like metal beams. So like there is no there is no option for out really in between. So it's like you want see I'm in, I'm in. And a couple of times for practice, like two days before a piece of wood got stuck like in my face and, and it was just like the fumes are coming through my helmet and I was like, I've still got like five or six more to go. And I'm just like, just, you know, when you get that, you know, you're sitting by a campfire and the wind hits you and you're just like, just can't and you just end up turning away. Well, I just obviously had to keep my eyes open, so I'm just fighting to keep my eyes open, making sure I'm like, in this, you know, little set area. So that one was kind of gnarly. And once we kind of figure it out, that was a big, big no no to like just prevent that is then we started to seal my helmet because it was open underneath and all the seals in the vents were closed, but air and fumes and smokes were still getting through. So we ended up having all of it completely sealed. The Benny from Bell literally sat there and just super glued each vent. And then I had one of the offroad covers to go around and tuck into my suit. So then once the fumes were kind of out of the way, it was actually much smoother sailing. Yeah. Wow. I didn't know all of that. And it doesn't say here about is it. It was the official Guinness book. Was that were they there. I believe so, yeah. That's cool. So recently you had your documentary Inverted Perspective come out. Congrats on that. Thank you. And that's what you been working on kind of lately, right? Yeah, that was pretty much a year in the making and that was still, you know, keeping, you know, my schedule with shows and races and everything that we had going on. It was just like, All right, flying real quick, do do a couple of film sessions for the for the documentary and and bail out and continue on with my schedule. So yeah, it was like a year in the making of just trying to make everything fit and work and do everything and put all the pieces together. Yeah, yeah. It was a bit of a process, but I mean I was stoked on the end result. And then where was most of it filmed? Most of it was filmed in California. Yeah. 85. Sent out my film that was handling pretty much all of it. He came out to imagination and filmed out there, and then most of it was filmed in California. Cool. So let's take it back from the beginning. And I think like most, it's, you know, I could be wrong. Maybe the Aussies didn't, but like to be off like a motocross, especially freestyle. Marcos You've probably been on a bike since you're a kid, so you started racing at seven? Yep. That's crazy. Yeah, born into it, basically. But it's crazy because I feel like nowadays that's late. Like everyone's like five. It's crazy, right? And I, you know, I was I started around seven, so I feel like nowadays, like, that's a late start, but it's did the job just fine. So then, like, it's like when you go to Loretta, that's like you just see it's, it's these young kids that families are like and motor race families are pretty gnarly. It's hectic out there. Loretta's and I think it's cool. We got to go do some demos out there and, and it's like midweek when we go to the demos. So it was just cool because we got to like one, bring up the kids spirit. Like so many kids. I talked to your I was like, Oh, how'd you do things? And you just see the look in their eye and they just like their eyes dropped. They're like, Oh, not good. And I'm like, What do you mean, not good? You're here racing Loretta Lynn's. And he's like, What do you mean? I'm like, How many people didn't make it here? You know? Like, that's what my dad always looked at when I was at Loretta's and I had a bad motor. I didn't do good. It's like he's like, Imagine how many kids you probably beat 40 or 50 kids just at the area. Qualifier and then probably another 60 kids at the the regional. And then you made it here. So even if you get last place that Loretta's like, you still beat a lot of kids to come here you know. Yeah. So I think just running him through that and like seeing that you know, lift their eyes back up and like putting a perspective with them and then just getting to put on a jump show and like, be there and like get them stoked on their bikes. Was pretty frigging rad cause your dad was your mechanic plan and it kind of like ran the show back in the day, right? Yeah, for sure. I mean, he did it all and he was like very, very meticulous with, with our bikes growing up. And he would sit there like a toothbrush and just scrub on this to make sure they're like clean and ready to go. So we had a high standard to uphold that. So cool. And then there was an injury. Your dad had an ATV as a kid? Yeah, he actually we were like a big dirt bike family. But there was a track day and they let quads on that day and it was just he got tangled up with a quad and it kind of like kind of Chad treated him off the side of the jump with his bike. And once he. That's a great analogy. That's I mean, I wasn't there, but that's pretty much what the picture I got brought to me. So it was a just a brutal crash. And he hit the ground and he pretty much just was like, I just no feeling immediately and got rushed to the hospital and being paralyzed from like the mid just down. And I was like 11 or 12 when I happened. That's so crazy. Yeah, real crazy. And cause you're referring to Chad's crash on the outdoors, right? I still can't believe that he was able to. Yeah, it's brutal. I mean, that's like pretty much what they what was told to me because I wasn't there is that they just he just got hit in the back and then it just shot him off and he just bailed and just landed without a bike. I mean, but I think the only difference probably was Chad kind of caught like the downs he did catch a little bit. And there is just no downside that my dad caught. So it's just just a brutal, brutal accident. Yeah, that's that's that's that's crazy to have to, you know, even then grow up with that and then even yourself like, does that stuff that scare you? Like getting back on a bike or growing up like, racing like that? You know, I if I was like, I older any older, I think I would have like really put a realization to like what would have happened and how that happened and, you know, like it probably really would have affected me to the point where I probably would have quit riding. But I was so young and just like, not really like, you know, I was just too young to really comprehend what was going on. So it was just like, Oh, well, Dad's in the hospital and he doesn't feel good type thing. And I wasn't really just comprehending the severity of it, but, you know, he just I don't know, he just never lost the passion for two wheels. Even after you just always wanted to go to the track with me, always want to talk about dirt bikes. And he would just his face would light up. So I'm like, if something that bad can happen to you and the cause of it still makes you happy, then you know there's something to be said about these two machines. Yeah, for sure. And when? When was the moment for you where you went from racing to freestyle? And like, when, when was that kind of transition and was that hard for him for you to say, Hey, I'm going to stop racing? Yeah. Because we are actually a huge race hearted family. And I remember when I was young, my brother wanted to do like freestyle and stuff and he secretly cut his fenders. No, he didn't. Oh, yeah. And back when it was like, primed to do that, and my dad was like, Absolutely not. We're taking those off and you're putting real plastics on and you're paying for them. And we're never running those use like anti freestyle back in the day. But that was back when they freestyle had like a terrible rap. Everyone was just like partying psychopaths and just like occasionally riding dirt bikes and just sending it. So, like, it was just it was a brutal era to try and, like, have those guys, like, be your mentors, too. Yeah, it wasn't like the most ideal situation. I mean, look at Twitch. Turned out I don't that's like the crusty demons there where you're like, that's what you want to be. Exactly. Like, there's no parent that would be, like, supportive of that. And yeah, you want to you want to grow up to be twitch and now it's probably the opposite. Now people are like, All right, let's get this double flip. Yeah, you're like, so young, you know? Yeah. And it's sick though too, because like, we, I think, you know, Jeremy especially and like, we followed that suit is that we like, actually care about, like what our dirt bikes look like, how our kit is like, yeah, we like take it to a level of like, like we want to look as good as we possibly can and bring like a, like an appeal that not even racers can really do, you know. No, that's like something different that he's brought on board that we've all followed suit with. Yeah. And you guys ride together every day sometimes. Well, not every day. Yeah, but it's like you guys been lazy. Oh, yeah, he is lazy. Oh, not so much lazy, but he's. He's a big golf guy. Yeah, I know. He's hitting me up for golf sponsorships, right? Yeah, that's what he's worried about. Yeah. I like to say that about the kids though, because that was like a big thing that he kind of, like mentioned when he was on here really talking about like how he wants everything to match. Mm. Feel a certain way, right. Yeah. And I feel like it used to be like the racers used to do that a lot and now, like, they're just so, like, just pounding out motos and, like, just, just putting in repetition that it's like, oh, well, whatever. Gloves are dry or whatever goggles I have like, And it's just like, they just have to go through your stuff and to where we're like, Now we want to look good like this. This will match this. So like, even like before shows or like, like, oh, what do you think about this pants with these jerseys? And like, we just literally sit there like little girls in the closet and pick out our kids. But you guys have like, it's even into, like, fashion or it's more so like most are like rap culture, but like, people wear like, like the rappers wear like, like you're free. They wear your gear. It's kind of funny. Dirt bikes are like, in right now. Yeah, it's like super in. It's like it's like a part of a whole separate kind of culture. But when you look at it, the helmet, the design on the helmet with the jersey and the pants and the boots, it's kind of fucking sick. Yeah, dude, it's so cool and like, even down to, like, get into, like, code Our bikes, like, Sarah called them and power cut them or whatever you want to do. Like, it's cool that we get to be different. Like, I came out and I was like, I don't want to do black and I want to do gray. Like, everyone's doing that. So I came out with like this, like, burn it, like burnt bronze frame and like, start to run in that. So it's just cool that like we can really, like, get creative with just about anything and like, just have that like, you know, crafty little like mentality with us to like, create something along the way of just having our style be a little bit different. Right? What would your bike look like? Brittany It would probably have like paint splatter all over it. I don't know. I would like paint it. I'd probably hand paint my bike, right? Yeah. She's actually not really a painter. You're like, I can see you doing, like, a sick mural. Like. Like, Yeah, right. Yeah. I think there would be. I think there would be some flowers in there. Maybe some like, Oh, mushrooms like, popping up. I don't know. Okay, well, we, we, we, we went there quick. Yeah, she's already got that. Yeah. It's like the wheels are turning. I don't know. So to designate you one, Loretta, probably something that, you know, your father. That was probably a big moment for him. Yeah. He was so stoked and like, we, we actually that year, he got hurt. We actually qualified to go to Loretta's together and he ended up getting hurt and wasn't able to go, obviously. And I still went and raced and that was just like a I mean that's like the Olympics of like amateur sport. So like to be able to go do that and, and come away with a win like that was huge, especially on our program where, like, my bike wasn't even running that well half the time. Like we were just on like a low, low budget program of just like, let's hopefully like this bike stays together running. And that was like just a challenge on its own is just to have the bike running because something was wrong with it. We couldn't figure it out and didn't have any money to figure it out. So we just were like hoping and praying that it would stay together and somehow it did. And I was still able to win two. Yeah, that's crazy. So when was the transfer like into the freestyle world? So for me it was I raced supercross a couple of years and both years I developed Epstein-Barr, which is like overtraining syndrome. And I just dug myself a big hole for like physically and just like, couldn't, couldn't really do it. And then I felt like I was better and raced the second year and it just hit me just as hard. And so I was like, Well, if I can't do this, like at the level I want to do it, like at 100% and go all in, then I feel like I was just ready to take a step in a different direction. But I was like, I'm not I'm not going to quit and never dirt bikes again. So I think freestyle was like the the outlet for me to be able to do that. And during like all my racing, I was, you know, I was still friends with like Jeremy and Todd Potter and Matt Bai and, and all those guys that were riding a lot in SoCal at the time and my like off days of riding supercross and pounding out laps and just that relentless, brutal program. Like I'd take a day off and just go hit ramps on them and go have fun. Yeah. Fitzpatricks House. Yeah. And that was like my day off of just like, relax and have some fun. And they were always just poking at me like, Oh, why don't you just go do shows? You'll make so much money, you'll do all this and like, and I'm like, Nope, I got goals in racing. I'll do that after. And I knew that racing is like something you do and like you're young and ready and healthy. And once I kind of lost the health aspect, I'm like, Right, well, it's time to cut some, cut some plastics off and cut the seat down and start doing grabs and be a freestyle rider for a little bit. Yeah, well, a little bit ended up being a long bit. Yeah, I did. It's it's definitely a bit of a boy's club but you know, and it's I, you know, actually sports is definitely come a long way in, you know, skateboarding and whatever else snowboarding skiing and but it still seems like, you know, you're kind of the only girl that is on a on a professional level that can do what you do. Why do you think that is? I mean, I think it just kind of comes down to my upbringing. Like I grew up riding in the hills, like we didn't even have tracks to go to. We couldn't afford to go to the tracks to go ride, so we would just go out in the hills. So I guess brutal just going out and riding in the hills like you just develop bike school. And I think that's kind of where it started into and then just kind of pushing the envelope on, on tracks and things like that and just starting to develop more of like a technical writing style. And that's where I felt like I was the most comfortable is just, just the techie stuff. And then that's what I kind of transition and arenacross and supercross and just techie stuff. And then it went into tricks and stuff like that. So I just developed it and it just, I guess where my, my taste buds when it was just like, you know, that's where all these guys were already kind of at. So just to be able to like, ride with them and develop those skills, like, I think my, my favorite thing about is like, you know, my girl card got revoked from them a long time. Yeah. So, like, they hold me to their standards. So like, if I'm riding like, shit. Jeremy be like, what's your deal today? Like, he's never told me that. Like, Oh, you're doing so good. Like, I got to earn that. Yeah. So, like, it's just good because, like, they really hold me to that standard and it's not like, Oh, well, I think you could maybe do, like, this jump. Like, it's never looked at like that. It's like, Well, if Axel or Tyler, any of those boys go and jump something, they're they're looking at me like, Where you ready? Like, there's there's no option. So I think, you know, having them, like, be you know that good of friends to really, like push the envelope and trust me that I'm I'm capable is like kind of the fuel to my fire of like well if they know I got it, then I got it. Yeah. So like, let's go. You know, it's crazy is I, you know obviously been watched you X-Games have been a lot of your demos but we went on that one trip where we camped like right during like during COVID the session the last time we had you on the podcast. Yeah. The crazy thing is it's like a jump set up there. There was like that caught like that quarter into that like hip type thing. Yeah, she's the first one out there hitting all the jumps and I was just like, Oh shit. Like, it's not like, oh, like she's out there, like, on our bike. Like then I was like, oh, like, yeah, I get it. It's like you. You're not, you're not scared. No. And I think because, like, I am around all these gnarly dudes and I know, like, it would set me apart to jump off first and before them, which is not easy because they're like, they're just extreme 12 year olds just ready to, like, go at any moment. Like they're just like pushing to like whenever they get the green light, they're going, yeah. So like, it's it's really hard to, like, beat them to it. So I kind of see it as a challenge. Like if I can beat them to it, I'm going to it doesn't always happen. But when it does, like I'm stoked because it's it's not easy to do. No, I think it's pretty cool to like how, you know, you go from this background of racing where it's like very competitive and everyone's trying to like almost get this like leg up and, you know, be a little bit more like, you know, kind of not letting people in or accepting in a way. But then you go to like freestyle motocross where it's like the most badass bad boys there is, but they're like pushing you and like, bringing you in to, like, really, like, grow with them and to really like, excel. Yeah. And I mean, it's just to have, like, those guys, like, do that. It's just. It means something. It's, it's really special thing to me to be able to come from where I came from and then have them support me like that. It it means a lot. And sometimes I need it. Like I'll literally look at Jeremy, especially like an imagination where I just like he probably has no clue how fast to hit something. Or he might think so, but all he has to do is make, Yeah, you got it. And that's all it takes. And I just go do it, you know? Like, you just need like, those types of friends to just push you just that little bit and just around all those dudes. It's like never ending. So it's like once you get one, they're already on to the next. So you do it again and then you're on to the next. You do it again. So it's like, do you just like never catch a break? So it's just like you got to just keep pushing to stay with them. And sometimes it's just it's just a wild ride to to just be around those dudes. Do you think that there was ever a point earlier in your career where maybe you know that factor of like, you know, now you're running with the boys and you're on their level? But was there a point when you were like, Oh, shoot, there's a lot of guys around here. Like, what was that transition to? Where you're like, You know what? I'm just as good. I'm just the same like we're all was there and ever and insecurity as being a girl young and in this yeah I still I mean even you know to this day I still get that feeling of like, oh, I don't know if I belong. Like, you know, that's a lot of that's gnarly, that's gnarly. And I but I feel like everyone kind of does it. Like, you know, there's not one person, like, especially like when we go to the places with just the big jumps that they're not like, Oh, I know how it has to go. Yeah, I got this. Like, besides, like Axl and Tyler after that, then everyone else is kind of in the same boat. So it kind of like it's, it's a little bit more settling to know that like, everyone's kind of in the same boat. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I've been used to being, like, the underdog. And I feel like when I raced supercross, I definitely felt like I don't belong. I didn't feel comfortable and I was just really struggling with the time frame that they were giving out. You know, like you get like 315 minute practices in supercross and like flat out that wasn't enough time for me. Yeah. So I made I made do with like the best that I could do, but it just wasn't enough for that circumstances. And I think that kind of really taught me just to like, pull the trigger immediately and like, trust your gut and yeah, and develop that like timing per se because I really, like, I just didn't quite have that and I really just hesitated too much. And now that I'm like, where am I? I know like my gut is 90% of the time it's right. So just trust it and go, Is it a funny though, like in something like that? And from our world of snowboarding, you know, when they build a 60, 80 foot jump, sometimes they go bigger than that. It again, it's your gut. You got to trust your gut because when you pick the speed and you're guinea pigging essentially, yeah, you better fucking have your gut. You got it. You got. That'd be right. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of like what I was curious about. Like within, you know, your process of, like figuring out the speed for, like, a jump you haven't hit Because I always, like, felt like it was almost like a roller coaster. A lot of the first time you hit these jumps, you get that feeling and you're like, up top, okay, like, this is kind of scary and then you're super happy when it's over. Yeah, but like for you, could you describe like a little bit of, like, finding the speed and watching too? Yeah. I mean, ultimately it's, it's a guess. Like there's no way around it. Like, you're guessing. It's just how much time you spend on the bike. And I'm like a really, like I'm if I'm on the bike a lot and I'm just getting bike time no matter what kind of if it's track trails, any like jumps, anything. Like I just need to be on the bike to feel comfortable and some, some guys can just hop on and go and they're like, oh, I feel rusty, but you can't even tell. They look the same. And there's like unicorns in that scenario. And but I just need like times. Yeah, like if I have that time and I get the confidence that goes with it and then my guess would probably be the same whether I've taken six months off or six days or not zero days, but because I have confidence in my guess that I'm like, all right, like trust. And that's kind of like where I set myself up to is like I go to new places and I don't rely on anyone. And I just I just trust my gut and see where that takes me. And like I said, 90% of the time it works out well. I feel like that's good advice for like anyone in any industry, right? Like, really like trusting yourself because your higher self is what's speaking to you through this whole process, Right? Yeah, exactly. And that's kind of like when I went to imagination. It was that was kind of like personal goals I set for myself. And like the year before, I really relied on Tyler a lot, which wasn't bad. I mean, those are, those are big jumps to yeah. You know to do on your own and and that in the previous year I was just like, you know what like Tyler's got a lot going on and there's a lot of people like trying to get on his back wheel and I'm like, you know, I'm just going to like, I want to do this on my own. And I still followed him off a couple of things, but it was just like, I need to do this and figure it out by myself. Yeah, that's kind of like the goal I set. So I was really stoked to like fine lines on my own, find jumps on my own, do them on my own. And, and that was just like a huge, like personal goal for me to, like, check off. Yeah. Why do you think Tyler and Axl and you spent a lot of time with both of them, but like, where do you think that comes from for those two? I don't know. Like, Tyler has the most unbelievable timing I've ever seen. Like, in my entire life. No one has timing like him, and he can. He's gone out to imagination three years in a row now and jumped everything. And I've seen him case maybe one thing crazy, so I just don't get it. Yeah. So that's kind of what I'm wondering because I hear like sometimes or people will be like, All right, second gear full. And then so what's the difference between like speed? You know, between like, how do you know? Okay, second full, like, does that mean from here to here you hit second in your going full or do you just get to there and like what is the difference in the sense of like distance mean it's kind of crazy and I think that's why like it helps too, to be riding with a lot of these guys because everyone hits stuff differently. You know, you have one guy that comes in super, super slow and then goes second gear full at the bottom, or you have some guy that might come in even like second cruisy and then a little bit less off the bottom. So like, things are changing, like, you know, the way you can hit something. So it's really like it's hard to take an account if you don't know the rider. So it's kind of nice to be able to ride with these guys and see that because Tyler is like, he'll come in as slow as possible. So I know I got to give him some room because he's about to like, yeah, let it all loose. And Axl is pretty. He's kind of like a kind of a carry speed type and then still give it so, like, it's just, it's just really nice to know the style. So if you do have to lean on someone or you do listen to them go, they, you're like, okay, like, I know how they hit it. I know I would hit it. And then you kind of just do that weird math in your head and go, Yeah, what? Some like one of the scariest like tricks you've had to overcome. All like, like biggest jump where you're like, foc, I, I don't know why I'm here right now, but I got to get through this. Yeah, that'd probably be my no handed front flip for for X games. Real moto. Yeah. I don't know. It just, it was one of those things where I had the trick and I did it so much into the foam pit to where I like. I just wanted to create like muscle memory for it. And thankfully I did that. And when it came time to like actually film it and you know, Bill Delaney and do it, do that part of it of like basically landing it to dirt and doing the actual filming part of it. I had already to put two fractures in my back and then I broke my right wrist in my hand in two places into the foam pit, and I was already kind of just crouching along at this point just to try and get get something on on, you know, on camera just to like, finish the project. And we started rolling out the landing bag and I did one to the landing bag and it just bounced me off. And I already had I was already protecting my right arm because it was already smashed to pieces. Yeah, just want to put my left one out and then it broke my wrist on that side. And so I just immediately I hit the ground. I knew I'm like, What? What do I do? Like, I did it perfect. But the bag bounced me off. So the only logical thing I could think of was just to say, Screw it, pull the bag and I was just like, you know, like we have to take it to dirt. Yeah, That's like, I did what I had to do. The the bag just messed me up. So I'm like, just, like, had that in my head. I'm like, I did everything right. The bag messed me up, So just do everything again and you'll be fine. But now I just have, like, two useless arms. So I took into consideration, like, I couldn't put the bike on the stand. I couldn't pull in the clutch to even, like, do anything because it was just it was a fresh brake. So I taped it up. And once they finally pulled the bag, I just was like, All right, well, I can't be I can't over or I can't understate it because in order for me to to under rotate it and fix it, I have to pull in the clutch and hit the brake to speed it up. So I'm like, Well, you can't be under because that's not an option, because I won't be able to pull in the clutch. So I just went in and I hit it and I remember like looking at the ramp and be like, Then I'm like 2 hours from the hospital, but we're going to do this anyways because there's cameras. So I'm either going to get the shot and land it or we're going to get a sweet crash for X-Games. Real moto, which are also pretty cool. Yeah. So I'm like, those are my two options. So I like, I just went for it and just like, remember letting go and looking at the landing and I was so terrified. I was like, I can't, I just let go. And I tucked back under and I'm like, Oh, I did it too fast. So I just tried to open up and give it a little bit and open up. And I just didn't have like any, like strength in my arms to hold my body way up. So I literally just slammed down so hard. I broke I broke my front number plate with my face. And this was like, I just remember a do not let go of the bike. And somehow I just like, got a little squirrely, rode it out and I'm like, We're done. Yeah. Like, yeah, we're done filming for the day. I can only imagine how you like going to the hospital to get your wrist fixed and they're asking you how you did it and they're not even knowing what you did after you broke your wrist. Yeah, I know. Well, I first heard this, and then I heard this, and then I went back. But I got it, so don't worry. Then I landed. I got the shot. I got the shot. That's the most important thing. Yeah. Are you at this point, I feel like in your field, you guys are just used to going to the hospital. Honestly, we don't even go to the hospital anymore. You just call your tape and I'm like, we're like, Really? They're just like, just take a photo. Yeah, Same as in, like, you know, like. Sweet. Thanks. You're on my Friday afternoon because I got to come help you. You got. Do you guys all use the same doctor? A handful of us do, Yeah. Like I have when I had my bad injuries with my foot and my ankle back in like 2018, I had the same guy that did, like, Gigi's ankles and put Anderson's. Like, when Anderson had that crash, Glennon had to get his, like, toes put back on or whatever. Yeah, we have the same foot and ankle specialist. And then thankfully, I think a lot of us use, like, the same shoulder knee guy. So yeah, yeah, it's pretty similar, but yeah, thankfully, like we kind of have them just like on speed dial, which is very nice to have because like, I mean, you know, like they pretty much like what you do. Yeah, exactly. Which one of it was them. Yeah. Like it's pretty much like we know we got to fix it and fix it, right? And fix it now. So, like, they're just like, just, just call me when it happens and, like, let me know what's going on. Yeah. And then they're like, we'll we'll fix it from there. So it's just like, yeah, it's kind of nice to have them, just like at our at our fingertips because we kind of need. Right. All right. We're going to try something new here. We've never done this. We're going to do a true all false. Yeah. Um, so the format of the show, you tell us the statement is true or false and why Britney, you on it? Do you want to hit the first one on there? Yeah. It's just says a lot of women's sports Just give out a girl card to their writers. Is this true or false and why? I think that's like a double bogey on now. And I think it's true from the outside looking in false from the inside look at all Yeah while they answer All right. Motocross provides important lessons to the rest of your life. True or false? True and really true. I mean, if, like, kind of look at it like it's a sport that really requires everything. Like you've got to be really, like, just disciplined, determined and like, just have, like, pure grit and there's like, there's everything that you can apply to real life. So absolutely. All right. I go to true or false here. You need some degree of self-destruction tendencies to be good at action. Sports. True or false? I think that's true. Yeah. A lot of people ask like, Oh, you must be so brave. I'm like, No, we're just really stupid. We make bad decisions. Yeah, every day for living. We love being dared. Oh, oh, yeah, I dare you. Right. Well, the best thing you could say to someone is you won't. You won't, You won't. Oh, they will. Is there some there's some trick that you're on now. Is it something in your head that is like you want. Yeah, for sure. I started Flip in 75 and just kind of put that on the back burner and just kind of look into just kind of clean it up and fix it from there. And I had like good consistent flips and then just kind of lost it and had a, had a string of injuries and then tried to go back and re injure myself. So just trying to get that back on lock. And yeah, I have another trick that I'd like to do before my career is over, but I don't want to speak too much about it. Yeah, no, I get that. I like to just show it and sort of talk about it. Yeah, I like that. I like that. So X-Games 2011 and this was kind of I think it's 2000 I remember on there. But X-Games Los Angeles was when you were invited to do best where I believe is that the one where you got third. Maybe not I might have been 12 or 13. Okay. Anyway, one of years, but you, you did it on the 250 or the the rest of the guys were on bigger bikes. Yeah. Everyone's on for four days. It's pretty much the standard for freestyle or. Yeah. At that time everyone's. Yeah. And back then I was still racing like the Women's Moto X and that was only a 250 only category. Yeah, that's all I had was 250. So when I got the invite, you know, I just continued to practice on the 250. That was the only bike I had at the time and it was not a last minute invite, but not enough time to like fully reinvent the wheel and hop on a 450. So I just did it on a 250 and that was that was tough. It was not. It was back when I was in the Staples Center, too. So we had a tight arena and I remember they're like, Well, we set that like 72 feet. And it was just a tight, tight run in. And I knew like everybody else wanted it pushed back and I was going to be like, I was that guy type thing. A guy can't like, I physically can't go any faster to make it. And I was just like getting over it and like, just kind of like stretching it just to get over it because it was so tight. I was just like moto in the corner and then like getting into it. So I was just like, I'm going to have to be that person to say no because like, just physically can't make it and let alone whip. Like it's one thing. They'll just make the jump and like, give it everything. And then to whip off of it that Rob's distance. So it was just one of those things where I was like, Dude, I can't I can't say yes. I'm like, I can't make it. And it felt bad because everyone's on four or five rows is gone flat and into corner. And that was like the same year Hanni threw like the biggest flop known to man. Yeah, And yeah, it was just cool to like, be out there and experience it all because it was just so gnarly. I was I remember like halfway through, I'm just like, Don't look up. Don't look at the screen and see where I'm at. Just keep focusing and riding. And I think like three quarters of the way through, like I took a peek up and I see my percentage. I'm like, Oh no, I'm like, I shouldn't have looked because I think I was in like second. And I started freaking out and I was like, No, no. I was like, just like losing my mind. I'm like, that, that can't be right. And then I just, like, I lost it from there. I just, like, choked up and, like, panicked. And then Hanni threw that big one and put himself in the lead, as he should have. Yeah, but yeah, somehow I still, like, squeaked out with a third. Somehow I was insane. And then that was the heyday of it to Staples Center. R.I.P. to the Staples Center. Now the crypto. But like when X Games was in L.A. and at the Staples Center, it was like it was a big deal. It was huge. Yeah. It's so cool to be able to say, like, I got to race and like, compete in the Staples Center, like in that era because like you said, it was like that's when it was in its prime and it was just such a cool experience to be when it was, you know, like my first year in the Coliseum racing. Yeah, I didn't get to go in the Staples Center in the second year. We went inside the Staples Center. It was just so surreal. Yeah, it was pretty special. I mean, even for like just being a spectator. I remember it because, you know, you watch a lot of these sport events and you're always just staring down. Yeah. And I feel like with dirt bike especially, it was like you'd watch them come up to, like, your level, like in the middle of the stadium. Yeah. Drop back down. It was so special because it was like it kind of sucked for being a rider because it's such a tight stadium to be able to, like, work in that small little zone. But for a fan like you, I remember just walking in through the stands to see it all and you're just like blown away because it's like no matter where you sit is a good seat because it's also up close and personal. Yeah, it's just like such a cool experience to be a part of it. And that's, and that's like center Yeah. Because back in those days and I think even that that year I can't again we all know that I'm not good with years but we would do the old radio show we do Sirius XM and we would be up in that top top Yeah. And then were there for while you guys are practicing and whatnot, we're in the top like we're in almost the roof of the Staples Center. And it's a great view. Yeah, everything. It's not like too big if that makes sense. Where if you're in like a, like a, an outside football stadium or something, you can have a bad seat. But something like that, that was even cooler. I remember Degan and Feist. You guys are like all practicing. And it was just me digging fires and was watching you guys, like live on radio talking shit in the Staples Center was kind of a surreal moment, you know? Yeah. And like back then it was like every year going there, so it was just like something we did. Yeah. And now that we haven't been there, you get to look back and it's just like such special moment in action sports now. Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll get back to some capacity like that, but hopefully sooner than later. So you obviously spent a lot of time riding with the boys and and the women's side of freestyle motocross. It not that it hasn't taken off because I think it's one of those things and this is a more of a a question to go to you but like do you see like what's the future of it for like women's freestyle motocross? Do you do you see it growing or do you see it just kind of being where it's at now? Man, It's tough because I feel like it is growing. Maybe not in, you know, the freestyle or free ride side of things, but it's growing. You know, back when I was racing, there were, you know, maybe five or six that had like true speed. Yeah. Likes and and good technique and things like that. And now that number is growing and now we're starting to see a lot of women racing that have all that. And then even in Offroad there's I feel like that's kind of where the demographic is right now for women. Riding is, is like off road seeing like a lot of chicks have great speed. And so I'm hoping now that will kind of once the speed is there and then we'll see it kind of go into the jumps and like start tossing because that's like when I'm excited to see is like I want to see that part of it grow because obviously right now it's it is just me, but it doesn't have to be, you know, like there's there's opportunities there. So hopefully, you know, we can see some other women capitalize on it. But if I can be honest right now, like if I was a girl and looking at you, I just wouldn't even do it. And then not only that, it's like it's a sport that if like freestyle, if you go down, it's like a it's not. When you crash, you cry. It's like, Oh, that's a broken bone. That's a broken bone. It's like it's not the most psychologically like thing you're like, All right, I want to get into this and then even go one step further. Look who you're riding with. It's like it's like no other person's going to be able to be like, Oh, I just got back from Jeremy's house or I'm out with Tyler Berryman, or I'm like, You know what I mean? Like, that's like, that's it's, it's, it's like a once. I think that's you and that's it. Because nobody gets that opportunity. Yeah, I mean, it is it would be a tough opportunity, especially like when the ball is already rolling and if you're not like on that train to just continue on, then yeah, it's definitely going to be tough. But I mean, it's just I don't know, it's a tough sport to get into because there's so much there's not a lot of easy ways for even us to like, teach it either. No, because I mean, I mean, the business side of like liability and insurance like that just all goes like, absolutely not. Like it's too dangerous. So it's hard for even us to, like, help give access to it, you know, to, like, really help them, like, let the ladder down to a younger generation because like, liability wise and like legally we can. Yeah. So like, you don't want to be liable for someone getting hurt. Yeah. Cause we've tried in the past and, like, talk to tracks about it and it's just like it's an absolute no no. So, like, it's definitely tough to, like, create the opportunity, but yeah, dude, it just makes it tough. I wish there was, like, more, but at the same time it makes my job pretty when you get really get anybody else either. That's for sure. I'm sure. Like, definitely it'll go almost like within the next generation, right? Like, I'm sure there's a handful of, you know, 5 to 10 girls who are looking up to you and even, you know, some of these younger parents being like, there is no limit. Like I've watched, you know, you crush the limit so many times that like they're going to influence their kids and these young ones are going to see it and be like, I'm going to double flip that 17. Yeah, absolutely. I guess that's the best way to look at it, is that, you know, like I've created at least maybe not opportunity, but there's there's no excuse to not do it. Yeah. So, I mean, at least I can help with that because even think about this, I remember when X Games let Marian, the guy that did the double backflip or said in the video, and then he did the double backflip and then the next year they brought him back and I think maybe it was a front flip, I could be wrong again. But he almost died and it was like, All right, Like there's a reason why the people that you have of that era and their it's not some guy sends in a video that can be crazy and get it done because they they brought him back again and he literally almost died like at a live event. And it's like, well, there's a reason why there's that. Does that make sense from saying, yeah, yeah, for sure. And there's like, there's something to be said about like the level we compete up because not a lot of people understand that one we train to create, like I said earlier, is like muscle memory, like I did the front flip probably 50, 60, 100 times more than I like really had to. But if something goes wrong, there's a split second to where you have to correct it and you can't sit there and be like, Oh, shoot, okay, I think I'm over rotating that. What do I do to fix that? Like, it has to be muscle memory to just do it. Yeah, there's no thinking about what's going on and the trick. You just have to do it, correct it and be done, because that's the only way to do it. And that's why I did so many, is because I needed muscle memory to be able to correct it. And the split second that you think about it is already too late. So with that being said, you know, I think we take it to a such a such a level to be able to do that. And then what a lot of people don't understand when you're competing is like at like X Games, Forza is like they tell you on the go, you don't get to choose when you go, Yeah, you're on live TV, you're in the gate. All right, cool. Go stop. Don't go up commercial. Come sit there for 3 minutes. Like you're like my energy. And I was ready to go 3 minutes ago. Yeah. And, like, I've been in scenarios where they rush you to staging, and you're like, Shoot, where's my gloves? Were like, Where's my stuff? I got to go, Yeah. And then they rush you all the way. They're like, Oh, hold on. We got a eight minute wait for a commercial. You're like, Well, I was just fully ready. Like, I was like, You rushed me here and like, you just, like, go into panic because you're just trying to, like, you know, fit the schedule. And then they like, All right, hold on. So, like, it's it's something like when you come in, you are not prepared for that. Is is just gnarly. Like it's insane to think and we've kind of kind of grown, like, accustomed to being able to just, okay, it's time to go. And like, even, like for shows that we do, it's like, okay, well, we're not doing practice. We don't have time in our in the schedule. You just have to go out first, trick our first jump into a trick. You haven't even jumped the set up and we have to do a trick and and just do it both at the same time. And that's just kind of like what you develop in your brain is like, okay, like you kind of become numb to it because you've done it so much. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. It's yeah, I think, I think a lot of you are crazy on that side. It's like, Yeah, or borderline psychopath. I did like what you said earlier though, about, you know, the boy. It's just a, you know, a pack, a 12 year old. Yeah, I, I was literally talking about with Jeremy this morning, I'm like, we're like physically probably 90, mentally 12. And then you just you're somewhere in the middle of that. Yeah. Like, that's just how average is up with so many injuries. You just wake up, you can't even walk in the morning and then you just like you laugh when someone farts. So like, I don't think that ever stops. You guys walking down the street One time they were like in their seventies and one of them farted and they both looked each other and started laughing. Yeah, I never saw like this. And that's like, well, I'm surrounded with like, they are like, Oh, what's it like being around all these, like, these dudes? I'm like, they're literally 12 year old boys. Like mentally there's, they're do not excel. 13 is funny, but I don't think I do either because I still have just to say yeah 100% Well we love you hear a monster. Before we finish, we tried to this lightning round. Britney, is there anything you want to say before we go? Well, I always love to ask this question. You know, when you're getting injured or you're feeling maybe like not enough or afraid or like what? How do you persevere in what you do? Because it really takes like you said, I mean, you what you guys called yourselves. But I think it takes a certain kind of, you know, gumption to do it. But why? Like how do you keep going forward? And like, what advice would you give to the younger generation of girls that want to do this and like maybe want to give up when they hurt themselves? Or like, what would you tell them or what would you tell your younger self? Really? Yeah. I mean, I've, I, we've all been through of injuries, especially like I mean I went through an injury to where like almost lost my foot and ankle like what was you know borderline about to lose it and I like was literally like I'm not going to ride anymore like I quit and I'm like, okay, well, I still can't walk. So I got to go through the process of walking and I'm like, And then once you can actually walk, you're like, Oh, I can ride. Like, it really doesn't change in like, you just kind of like everybody goes through it. Like it's it's just a process. It's part of the process. You're like, well, this walking kind of sucks. Yeah, it's like that's part of the process. Everyone goes through it. You're not alone. It's it's something everybody experiences that you probably do quit, But by the time you actually get walking, you're back to like using the limb that you broke or whatever it is. You're like, Oh, shoot. Like, this works. Like I could twist the throttle. Yeah, you know, and then it just goes away. So, like, it's just part of the process, unfortunately. And it comes with the territory and it's not if you crash, it's when you crash. So taken with a grain of salt. And I think you see that a lot even in a lot of like pro racers when they do, they're like, we've seen it in supercross so much and then the rider gives their update of after their injury and they're not like just completely devastated, like as they should be, but they're like calm and collected, like, yup, I did. This happens where, where we had surgery. We're back on the road to recovery. Like it's just part of it actually brings me to another point that I saw Pete Fox post, something about just where racing's at right now. And this is a really good question for you, but like, I guess like out of the top five riders, three of them are hurt right now and there's a lot going on. And I was that I was in Nashville at the race and I saw Anderson's crash and I saw it's kind of gnarly. Is there a point to where these tracks are they're making these guys? Should they dumb it down to not dumb it down? But you know what I mean? Not make it so gnarly and not or is that just part of what they do? It it it's a tough question I mean like in to like you don't see like what they hit and I feel like it's just maybe the track is deteriorating and but these guys are going to like push the envelope on no matter what you give them. So I guess it's just hard to maybe maybe I'm like my $0.02 would be just maybe trying to put more time into making sure the dangerous spots are a bit safer by cleaning up the track, even though some riders might complain that it's too easy now. But yeah, dude, it's just is brutal to see. Like the longevity is just not there, right now. Right. And like, maybe just less rounds even because I mean, newer 70 what, 17 rounds deep. Yeah, 60 or whatever, whatever the number is, you know, like it's long. I think it's 16, 16 weeks. Yes. And then right into outdoors. Yeah. And then there's these other off series is that like some of the guys are on the road all year long. Yeah. I mean I get it from a business standpoint. I mean the more events you create, the more money you create. But at the same time, like, you have to realize that you're putting like these guys are going to max out their heart rates and put themselves through it. No matter how many times you give them the opportunity to do it. Or it's even like, you know, F1 coming out of COVID separate where they used to almost do back to back. Now they go like they'll go like three weeks on or two weeks on and then like a couple of weeks off. And it kind of separates the season out. So if you are to have an injury and there's like a three week, wow, I got take a three week break, it'll it'll save time for injury or whatnot and you won't have, you know these riders that go down and it just gives you more recovery time. Yeah. I feel like that's maybe where it needs to be is just maybe because no matter what you do like, I mean back when, like we were seeing a lot of quads happen in supercross, they tried to prevent that. But people are still getting hurt because now they're going so fast. On a basic track, you create the opportunity for injury that way because now they're over exceeding the track's limit of speed because it's so easy for them. Yeah, but then you make it harder and then they start doing big sketchy stuff. So like there's it's they're going to max out whatever they can on the track no matter what. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Do you. I just feel like maybe just give them a bit more of recovery time because like I said, that you tell them to go. They're going to go. Yeah. Like they're competitors. Yeah. They're not going to take it as yet. It is like you can see like they're going to put their life on the line and leave it all on the track so there's no way to stop them from doing that. Right. But hopefully, like, hopefully we can minimize it. Just I think maybe just recovery because that's a brutal, brutal schedule. Yep. All right. Before we finish, Vicky, Danny does this lightning round. It's like quick little shooter is and yeah, we again we appreciate you're at Monster Energy. You're fucking awesome and you know, just keep being you. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I'm stoked. Absolute badass. What does the number 423 mean to you? Well, it actually didn't mean a whole lot when I raced supercross. That was the the next lowest number. It was 423 is like. I was like, That looks sweet. I'll take that one. But actually now it's kind of funny because 423 is my boyfriend's birthday. No way. I was. I thought it was going to be a gain of seven, so I'm sure it wasn't at first, but now it's. You attracted him at the race. He's like, It's a sign. It's a sign. Did you ever have to kick one of the guys in the nuts to keep him in line? No. Physically, no. With words, probably. Yeah. Mentally, yes. Favorite trick to throw over a super jump up to the classic whip. It doesn't get old, right? Yeah, I would. I love to. Is like you guys all have your different styles. Yeah. It's just so sick. It's not like one whip is the same. Everyone has their, like, a little flavor to it. Yeah. When we can go just all like through a train of just rider after rider, just toss one. It's just. It's so cool. Like you said, everything's different and there's multiple whips now and multiple styles of that same weapon. It's just like, Dude, it's endless. What's the trick to whipping it back? Hold on for a deal. Is it like in your car? So is it like a I mean, there's there's timing and finesse, but I mean, yeah, just pretty much just give it a yank and hang on for dear life. As for what I do with the gas or the brakes are now that's more for. Yeah. I mean there's like, there's like technique to it for sure. I mean I like to come in like slow and then give it everything off the ramp. And normally that means I'm not going to touch the landing. And that's normally the, the good indicator of a good whip is not touching a landing at all. So that's normally a good indicator for me is when I just go to flat. But yeah, that's I don't know, you just do. However you can hold on to her backwards and then get comfortable. I mean like that's what you see is like you got to go backwards to be like, worthwhile nowadays. So just you got to sit there and stare at the ramp as you left and just see how long you can stare at it for. In your opinion, who's the most influential Freestyle Moto X rider ever? Oh yeah. I don't want to like give him credit, but I got to see him all the time. But I it's. It's for sure. Twitch What about most influential racer? Racer Oh, man, that's tough. I think I would say it's James Stewart. I mean, wow, I used to love you know the thing that James does. You'd love watching him ride because he fucking just pin it and he's either going to win or go down in the blaze of glory. Yeah. Do I watch like old school? Like footage of, like him or just like, that era and, like, just, I don't know, like he could just turn it on and, like, I think, like, now are today's era. I would honestly say like, hurling. Yeah, hurling is just that guy. Like, I remember watching, like, an interview and he's like, I looked up at the clock and it said 10 minutes. He's like, I can push for 10 minutes. Yeah. And he pushes as hard as he can and goes all the way to the front, like wins by a minute and like, how do you just turn on that much speed? Like, I'm already going as fast as I can possibly. Yeah. And I just, like, I had never looked at the clock back. Okay. I can push and go like, 5 seconds a lot faster. Like it's never happened. Yeah. Okay, here's one one for you. Besides Moto, what is the second most dangerous sport you participate in? I participate in probably just life. I'm super game of life. That's not a sport I do. Is life just surviving outside of it? That's a great answer because I fucking agree with you. Yeah. Hey, life is not easy. And when you're in a mindset of like, whatever, you know, you specialize it or you're talented and it gets easier. But life is the one where you got to make sense out of it. Yeah, no idea. Like I said, I'm so on court. It's like Jeremy has golf. Some people go ride BMX for fun. Yeah, I just. I try and survive till the next time I can get on my dirt bike because I'm, like, just so uncoordinated with life. I love it. That's a wrap. Thank you, Vicky Golding. Thank you.