A true all-terrain board sports prodigy joins the podcast! UNLEASHED is proud to welcome snowboarder and multi-sport phenom Judd Henkes from Southern California. In his exclusive interview with The Dingo, Danny, and Brittney, the 22-year-old from La Jolla, California, details his passion for snowboarding and surfing, documented in the new Monster Energy film ‘Greenhorn, directed by the visionary Spencer Whiting, aka Gimbal God.
Raised on the sunny beaches of La Jolla, California, Judd Henkes was destined to evolve into an all-around boardsports talent. After picking up snowboarding at the early age of four, skating and surfing came close behind. Over the years, Henkes rapidly progressed in all three board sports while excelling in all snowboard disciplines, a testament to his natural riding style and technical ability. At the mere age of 14, Henkes turned heads with an unprecedented fifth-place finish in Halfpipe at the vaunted 2016 Burton U.S. Open. As a member of the Mammoth Mountain Snowboard Team, he’s been competing on the big stage in X Games and Dew Tour contests since 2019. As his next challenge, Henkes aims to represent the United States in the Winter Olympics as part of Team USA. Despite his contest ambitions, Judd also took on the challenge to showcase both his snowboarding and equally adept surfing skills in his new film ‘Greenhorn’, documented behind the lens of progressive and hyper-creative Spencer Whiting. Gain inside perspective and behind-the-scenes stories of Henkes’ groundbreaking new Snowboard and surf film from the multi-hyphenate talent– only on UNLEASHED!
Press the play button (and hit Like) on the new episode of UNLEASHED with The Dingo, Danny, and Brittney.
Make sure to subscribe and stay tuned for more UNLEASHED episodes. Regular editions of the show are recorded live inside Studio M at Monster Energy headquarters in Corona, California, and published bi-weekly. Also, follow @monsterenergy for updates.
A true all-terrain board sports prodigy joins the podcast! UNLEASHED is proud to welcome snowboarder and multi-sport phenom Judd Henkes from Southern California. In his exclusive interview with The Dingo, Danny, and Brittney, the 22-year-old from La Jolla, California, details his passion for snowboarding and surfing, documented in the new Monster Energy film ‘Greenhorn, directed by the visionary Spencer Whiting, aka Gimbal God.
Raised on the sunny beaches of La Jolla, California, Judd Henkes was destined to evolve into an all-around boardsports talent. After picking up snowboarding at the early age of four, skating and surfing came close behind. Over the years, Henkes rapidly progressed in all three board sports while excelling in all snowboard disciplines, a testament to his natural riding style and technical ability. At the mere age of 14, Henkes turned heads with an unprecedented fifth-place finish in Halfpipe at the vaunted 2016 Burton U.S. Open. As a member of the Mammoth Mountain Snowboard Team, he’s been competing on the big stage in X Games and Dew Tour contests since 2019. As his next challenge, Henkes aims to represent the United States in the Winter Olympics as part of Team USA. Despite his contest ambitions, Judd also took on the challenge to showcase both his snowboarding and equally adept surfing skills in his new film ‘Greenhorn’, documented behind the lens of progressive and hyper-creative Spencer Whiting. Gain inside perspective and behind-the-scenes stories of Henkes’ groundbreaking new Snowboard and surf film from the multi-hyphenate talent– only on UNLEASHED!
Press the play button (and hit Like) on the new episode of UNLEASHED with The Dingo, Danny, and Brittney.
Make sure to subscribe and stay tuned for more UNLEASHED episodes. Regular editions of the show are recorded live inside Studio M at Monster Energy headquarters in Corona, California, and published bi-weekly. Also, follow @monsterenergy for updates.
Oh, crack that thing. I'm really excited for this because two things. Judd...how do I.... Henkes. It's just Henkes. Henkes. Henkes. Where's that? Like, what's the heritage of that? Um, I believe it's German. Yeah, I could see German. I've been really excited to this interview for a couple of reasons. Um, I blew it because we're here. No, he's man, and we grew up in Mammoth. You grew up snowboarding in Mammoth, and. Oh, that's right. You can drop it. And I. It's next generation. He's the next generation of Madison Rangers School. Mammoth right here. It's like combining right now with the legacy. And you have a lot to live up to. I know I do. Did you feel that pressure growing up, Maybe. No, I didn't really feel the pressure. I was just super stoked that a bunch of pro snowboarders were riding the same mountain that I rode growing up. And it was just super motivated. What do you weigh? Too old for you? Like, do you? Did you look up to him like, as. Yeah, you did. Cause you're checking. I'm just checking. Danny Diaz Or legit there and I hear it's a legend. He's a legend. Yeah. There's nothing else to say. I mean, because what year were you born? We're spoiled. We're going to thousand one, 2000, 110. You got your first Olympic medal in 2000. Two? Yeah, I was 19. Dag, the year he was. So you didn't even get to watch that. You don't even that doesn't even know what's around in your head. That's way beyond the that's like way beyond my memory. Yeah, well, that's good thing. I went and got another medal in 2006 and still would have been beyond this memory. Five. Yeah. I still don't, I don't really like I remember learning how to snowboard or surf or safe or anything like that because you grew up, you grew up second nature, you grew up in La Hoya. We born in La Hoya. I was born at Scripps Hospital. My parents lived in Claremont when I was growing up, and then we moved to La Hoya when I was like 13. Yup. So you grew up surfing? Yeah, Skateboarding and snowboarding. Snowboarding all at the same. And you don't remember starting any of them. You just know life as is with surfing, snowboarding and skateboarding. I do not remember life before that. Did your number come close to the my I don't remember life B before the board. No. That's actually kind of sick. Does your dad teach you? Yeah. My dad taught me how to surf when I was super young. I think he had me on the board at age like two, two? Yeah, like tandem. Yeah. Tandem shirt. Yeah. He used to tell us, like, if you don't like sand, you were born in the wrong family. Dang, I see you got Rip ran on skis. Yeah, He rips the skis, he doesn't snowboard. He's got a bad back. Is that why? Yeah, he still surfs. Oh, yeah. All the time. Yeah, I like that. How are the waves over in La Hoya? They're good. They're good. Yeah, we got good waves down there. Chilly. Do you surf, Britney? You know, I had a little when I was going to art school and lived in Venice. I had, like, a short stint when surfing, and then I got hit in the head by a board and then Barrel rolled in a Huntington. And I was like, Maybe not for me. I go out to places you go or barrel down to Huntington. And right now when I like I the board went under me in Huntington, a big wave and then I almost drowned. And I was like, okay, not fun. And then I went again and I didn't know that the board had to go behind you. So I had the board or the board had to go or whatever. And I got up and then the wave put the board on my forehead and I got like a huge egg. And I just realized, like, I don't know if this is my not your thing. She snowboards so I can someone. I served in Sydney before I could serve in like a Sydney wave, like when they, like, kind of push you out and bond. I like on the side of it anyway. Well, Bond Day, Way Bond. I mean, I guess it does is some easy breaks, easy break. So long, crazy. We have Sydney come closer. Sydney's got some crazy waves. She didn't surf there, but I've seen some. So we're here to actually talk about your surf and snowboard film Greenhorn. Yep. The trailer is. We're going to drop the trailer right now. So the trailer is going to play and this is a movie that you and gimbal God made. Yeah. Over the last year and a half. Yeah, it's been since last May. So May 20, 22 is when we started the film. Yeah. So I you, we tried to watch it in Australia but we didn't have the technology to get it on the TV screen, which I'm actually really happy for because for many reasons it'll be, it'll mean more to me when I actually get to watch the movie in full. It should be a better experience in the theater. Spencer Cable God's been like, Yep, doing a bunch of tech work, trying to get the thing all dialed. For some, like the theater support 7.1 sound, which is seven speakers, and so it should be a pretty crazy experience. He's got it all covered and everything. Whose idea was this, the film or like the color of the film? Okay, the film was kind of like me and Spencer's idea. It first started out as an edit. We were going to just film in Indo Chile and New Zealand and it was going to just be like a five minute edit, like surf and snow, kind of just like a little sample platter to like show what we could do. But when we were in Indonesia, the first trip in May, we ended up getting some pretty crazy waves at this wave called Lances. And those clips just seemed too good to only put in an edit. And we showed Austin, our team manager, and he thought it would be a good idea if we just made a film. So kind of like it wasn't meant to be a film at the start. And then it just kind of snowballed into us filming for a whole year and a half to try to make this thing. Well, I guess a lot of people don't know about you is that you could pretty much he could be a pro surfer and this is like kind of been talked about. It's been talked about in the industry. And and, you know, I guess I've only seen what anybody else has seen of what you do have posted on your Instagram or your socials over the last kind of like year and a half or I mean, I'd be I'm actually this sucks this that doesn't suck to say, but I'm more excited to see the surfing. Oh yeah. I mean, I'm stoked. Like show everyone the surfing and the snowboarding as well. So it's like two of my passions that I've done since before I can remember. And yeah, it was just like a cool way to go, challenge myself and yeah, and both of these things. And for Gimbal, God, like this is like he's never filmed surfing like this either, right? So this is kind of his first. Yeah. He's never filmed surfing. Is he any good at it? He's good on the tripod, actually. Yeah. Spencer is kind of a genius with all things cameras. It's actually because he get in the water with, like, the mouthpiece thing, too. And no, he's not swimming. And we hired a guy for that. We had this guy, David Banner for the water photography stuff. It's just so gnarly. It's like it's a completely different game when you're swimming out in the water in waves of consequence. Like you got to know what you're doing. We don't want gimbal go drowning. Nah, and I don't really want them out there or I wouldn't. I really want them out there because this guy's just like, better. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, this guy knows what he's doing in spending. He doesn't want to go out there if this guy knows what he's doing, because, like, this guy is going to have way more of a shot of actually getting the clip versus like, you don't want to waste all that time out there because just like the power, like the waves are a finite resource, you know, like it's only going to be so many that day that come in and like, if the filmer misses it and you get a crazy one, like you're not getting that wave back. So it's like it's tough on both ends. Like it's not easy for the surfer and it's not easy for the film or either. So yeah, that's what makes it like kind of a little bit different than snowboarding. Yeah, and I guess we'll bounce backwards and forwards, but so we're we're, we're in the surfing. What locations did you guys film at and what's the difference between filming a surf movie and filming a snowboarding movie? Yeah. So like, do you want all the locations that we filmed or just like the locations that are in the film, locations that are in the film. So the locations that are in the film are Indonesia, Chile and Costa Rica. But we also made a trip to La Fatin in Norway to try to surf this wave up there. And then we also tried to surf in Ireland, but just didn't work, didn't get any clips there. Now Ireland's like big wave surfing, right? Yeah, Yeah. There's some pretty crazy slobs there. There's big waves and slabs and pretty much like everything you can find, cold water, any type of scary wave you want to get into you can find in Ireland. So what's the size of some of the biggest waves you're surfing in this film? I would say like probably like at the biggest, like 8 to 10 feet, like, uh, I don't know, like maybe a couple of like 16, 18 footer faces into this like, kind of film, give you that opportunity to actually, like, push your surfing in a different way. Oh, yeah, 100%. Like, I've never tried to, like, work on my surfing as hard as I have this past film. So it's super cool. Like the level is so high and surfing. And so I like to try to like, uphold that, like to uphold some sort of standard, like not trying to be the best, but just like trying not to, like, make a complete fool out of myself. So I yeah, I had to work pretty, worked pretty hard to, like, get these clips. Yeah. Because you're trying to like, I mean, you're kind of doing it for two different audiences in a way, right? Yeah. Did you grow up competing in surfing at all? I did some small contests when I was a kid, but no, it wasn't like really for me, I didn't really like competing in surfing when I was younger, kind of just like doing it more. But in snowboarding you did after Junior World, you finished Junior World Champion, you know, Bronze Junior World Championships, medals. They were the time of their lives. The junior worlds. Yeah. Junior worlds are super fun. I enjoy it. It's like fun getting to go and, like, competing. It's a bunch of juniors and. Yeah. What did you grow up competing small competitions in Mammoth like, Well, Contest series is going around Mammoth Yeah. I mean, Danny was USA, I say around when you were growing up. Yep, yep. USA, USA. We had like the mid-Atlantic series on the East coast. I know Mammoth kind of has like the same with Northstar and Tahoe, that whole like NorCal. Yeah. So we had like a I did the USA when I was a kid and did all those little contests like growing up. Yeah. Kind of just like the little feeder events. And then they go to nationals and you do those until you're like 13. And then I did the rev tours and then like around 15 I started doing this contest. Yeah. Do you like competing? Yeah, I enjoy it. I think like I was the past couple of years, I was like a little bit and like, competitive. I felt and I wasn't enjoying it that much. But last year I actually had a lot of fun competing. So just like, what are your mindset? Just like figuring out that mindset competing? I think I was like too focused on the results before and kind of just like didn't allow me to completely be like, go into that, go into the zone, you know, when you're like too focused on the results and a lot of things are running through your head, it kind of it's hard to shut that off and just go and do your run. And so I kind of was like battling myself, basically. I felt like the in previous years and then this year I kind of was just like I was like, I can't do that anymore. Like, I got to start focusing on the results and just like, just land runs and yeah, that made me a lot more stoked. Like I wasn't on the podium this year, but I was in finals and stuff and I was just like, happy to land runs. So maybe it wasn't like the best competitive year of my life, but I had the most fun this year competing. Well, not super important. I mean, really, just like competing, especially in snowboarding. It's about like riding your best and you kind of entered that FISA pro level pretty early, right? I mean, which is a different environment of competition. But I definitely remember the first time I heard your name and got to watch your videos. Was the Junior Jam U.S. Open at Vail? Yeah. And he came out at 14 and literally went bigger than every pro was going in the half pipe, won the junior jam of like 14 and under. Wow. And then went on to do it. And I remember like people showing me this video be like, this kid's from Mammoth. Like Mammoth is finally back on the scene in Half Pipe. And it was like, but it was it was so impressive to see, like what you were doing, you know, and like, pushing yourself in that half pipe. And then I think he went on to do really well, like even in the men's final. Yeah, I think I got like fifth or something like that, which is huge. Yeah, Yeah, that was huge. That was a big jump. Starting my career. Like that was like, kind of like what I felt like, yeah, I kind of made my snowboard career. Like, that's like the first point where I felt like I could really do this. Like, before I was just like, Yeah, being against all this small time stuff and then making the finals and getting fifth in that in the U.S. Open was a very huge point in my career. So I kind of like the first big point in my career. And then at what point did you kind of like then stay a little bit more kind of shift your focus into slopestyle and big air? Um, I had always been writing slopestyle and big air, like even when I was doing that half pipe stuff, I was maybe a little bit more focused on half pipe. But yeah, after like a year of like doing fist contests and half pipe, I just, I didn't like it that much. I didn't really like writing half pipe for competing. I liked riding half pipe when I wasn't in the contest, but it just like there was something about it that I just didn't enjoy and it was kind of like sucking the fun out of it. And then I started riding slopestyle and the US team gave me an opportunity to do some slopestyle events and just I kind of felt like that was what I was meant to do. Well, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to hit like a couple of big jumps to get to the mammoth half pipe? Oh, yeah, of course. You ride everything. There's a whole slope run before you get to it. The perfect 6 minutes without knowing it, you're already know what you're doing. That was what I always loved about Mammoth. Like, it was like. Like in the heyday and then still today, like that park is that run is, you know, everything is there. Yeah. I feel like growing up at Mammoth, you're incentivized to just ride everything because it's right there for you. You know, there's no point in being a half pipe brat or just a slopestyle rider. Like you have it all in front of you. You might as well develop your skills and everything. I, I saw a post recently. It was from Channel Hole who's a skier about one of the most Borowski has ever lived. But he posted a picture of mammoth parking lot and he said, I'm back in grown ups, Disneyland. He goes, This is the best place in the world. And I like to remember the memories of when we were younger living there, and Tanner lived there back in the day and you know, you've obviously got to experience that. It's like Mammoth generally is one of the best places in the world. And when it's working, it offers this facility that is, you know, and then when it snows, it's got you know, when you know where to go in the battles there, it's that's sick. But like for the parkour, you know, they you know, for example, they're going to be open again and goddamn, you know, they're already open. They're open. Yeah, they're opening like eight days. But yeah, I feel super lucky to grow up at Mammoth. It's like and at what age you get to like, kind of. Do you move there full time or are you kind of weekend worrying for a little bit? Definitely. Did the Weekend Warrior program like when we first started going up there, my parents had an RV, so we used to stay in the RV park and then like my dad would drive up to Cherry to like five in the morning park, little like ski and ski out of the RV. I was super sick and then as my skills develop more, I ended up starting to live up there with my mom. My parents would rent a place and then my dad would come visit and then got to the point where now I just travel to snowboard and surf. Yeah. And like all of this, when you were up there was the intention for you to go pro like or it was just like, he loves this. Let's just, you know, let's give them the best snowboarding life. Or was it like they need to compete? Yeah, it was No, it wasn't. There was never any pressure to be a professional athlete. My parents just, like, were super supportive and they saw that I had a passion for it. And yeah, I don't know why, but they just like continued to support my dream until it became a reality. Super Parents You had super supermom, super dads Supermom when Mammoth Super Mom moved to Mammoth with me at 18, which was really cool. And they were just, you know, it would so cool that they would just like, trust me to travel the world on my own at that time, which is pretty crazy. And I always think about it. Like I remember I travel with like a book and phone numbers and that was it. Like no cell phone? No, like a black book. A black book with phone numbers in it that you would like use at a payphone. Well, Dingo got dropped off on my couch by a stalk at like 15. Yeah. How is it? There is a point years later, I was like, You got to clean out your closet, dude. Like, you haven't been here in a year. Like, there's half a closet filled with your stuff. Yeah, Yeah, there were the days I missed that place. I mean, they say, like, living in any mountain town is kind of the best thing you can do, And everyone should do it at least one year of their life. It really is. Because, like, there's no bad you don't have any bad days. And mountains, even when you're snowed in and there's nothing to do, you're not having a bad day because it's dumping snow and you know it's going to be great. And that's never been the same since then. I've got to batten down the hatches. All right. Let's get to the dirty talk. Let's talk about the snowboarding this year. You, you, you you're on this camp for 21 days. Yeah, we did. I'm going to call it 18 days and 16 nights because it was like a day on day set up on the end. Right of each time of like. And where was that. It was in Whistler. I'm not going to say exactly where, but no, you don't to say where. But it was in December and it was in Whistler, was it? We are in a fog. We're on a fire road. And we were about our camp was 3 hours from a main road, like it's something really bad happen, you're fucked. Your fuck was that kind of scary being so far out there? Because not a lot of people see that as far as like when you film backcountry, you're out in the bay. Yeah, You go back there. No, I mean, it was like a little bit scary, but it's kind of just like I was like, Oh, this is where we're living. Like we got we have medical kits and everything there. I guess like if anything bad happens, we're just going to it's going to be our base camp until we can call it helicopter, basically. And whose idea was this chemo God, do they get scary at all? Like, was there like cold nights where you're like, Oh my God, I'm camping outside. Living outside? To be honest, it was pretty plush. Like we we had really nice tents. We had a furnace, a propane burning furnace in there. So we were drying out our gear. We were we were glamping, I would say, like it was still a snow camp, but we brought in all the amenities that we needed. And how many trips did you do to get everything out to the. It took us a whole whole day to get it, like because we had to once we got there to the zone that we were camping, it's just a bunch of snow piles and then you have to go grade it. So you take the snow pushers and you just push it out. And just like grading this ground, easier than grading dirt, but you're grading it out and then you make it all flat and then you've got to set up your tent and we had to pull some logs out of places with chainsaws and move stuff around. It was quite the experience. It is crazy to think about your 3 hours away from like humanity. Like if something is to go wrong, you call in the chopper, you let him out. Yeah. You could set him up for service. We had a we had a starling and a jackery, so like we had. And then we actually ended up bringing up a a not a propane gas gas generator so we could charge the jackery. But yeah, we were just like we had a little mini power generator and we'd plug the wi fi in and we had pretty insane wi fi up there. Wow. What's a jackery? Yeah, I assume in my expression, Jackery is just it's an electronic generator. You can charge it with solar panels. That's just like a brand battery bank. Kind of. Yeah. It's just. It's just a massive battery bank. Um, it lasts pretty long, but the. The solar panels you need probably, like, we only had one and it was going to take like 18 hours to charge the things. And then we just had to bring in a generator. But I think if you had like six or seven solar panels and you hooked it up on a real sunny day, you could charge that thing and did you guys get mini snowstorms while you were there? Yeah, we had we had a lot of days snowing, but you just like wake up and shovel like we never had anything. We're like the tent was like, uh, like we were scared that the tent was going to collapse. So you just wake up and take the shit potion, push it around, push some snow around. That's probably a long day. A snow day when you're that far out and you're camping in the middle of a mountain. But there's always stuff to do when you're camping. Like you're never not doing anything because you have to make water up there. Like you don't bring water and you're you take a big pan and you put snow in there and you cook the water. Making your own water. Yeah, you make water because it'd be way too heavy to bring water out and then it would freeze and stuff. So then you get like you bring up like little yetis. So then you can store the water in there, but you're making the water up there so you're constantly chopping firewood and yeah, keeping that burner going, making water just like everything's, everything becomes a task up there. Even just like making food in the morning. I feel like 21 over 18 nights or whatever it was 18 days up in the middle of nowhere. I feel like you could survive anywhere. Yeah, I mean, like, there's gnarly places to camp. Like on a glacier would be pretty hectic. Like, there's just less resources. Like we at least able to, like, there's dead trees around so you can go get firewood and stuff like that. But up on the glacier is a little different story. I don't know if I could do 18 days just yet on the glacier. Who, um, did anyone kind of, like, lose it? Who was losing it, having the hardest time? I don't think anyone like, really lost it, but I just remember being, like, so tired and just completely done by by the end. Like, I remember it was our fifth or sixth day son in a row, and I was just exhausted. We've been riding super hard, just like everything takes it out of you, sliding and building and hitting and not getting the recovery because you're sleeping in a tent at night and your body's working hard to keep you warm. Did you sleep naked? No, I just sleep in my boxers and a sleeping bag, right? Yeah, And a nice sleeping bag. Like I had a we, like, put like a yoga mat down and then a and then a sleeping pad with down in it. So, you know, like, blow it up the specific way to not get moisture in it so that down in the pad. And then we had the which were like neg 40 sleeping bags so we were warm. Yeah. See what I did is to prove a point to him. I think in Alaska I slept in like a tent from, like a target. Yeah. You did it. It involves pass. Yeah. And Thompson on the ground. On the ground. I am I. But then I got I slept butt naked in the in the sleeping bag so I could stay warm. But it was the stupidest thing I ever did. So it's warm out of the tent? Yeah, I'd drink. I'd drink so I could go to sleep. Would you ever camp out Something like that for me? I mean, something more like the glamping. Yeah. That's not the target. That's situation. That was a $20 tent. I would love to camp. I like the mountains. Just like the fly net open on top. It was certainly it was suddenly it's like big. But we also had people camping out in the back of our motorhome with two snowmobiles that it basically just shaken all the gasoline out of them on their way up. So we were also worried that someone was going to die in the back to the road's gnarly. Well, yeah, we. Yeah, I'll be right. So we lost a trailer that had two snowmobiles on it, and we're on this big straightaway, and it's called those crazy bulbs. And this truck waves us down. We're like the fox like wave. And we waved at three different people that all we're, like, trying to tell us that you just lost your trailer and we're just like, people are so friendly here. Yeah. So while his truck stops, he's like, Yeah, you all got a trailer? We're like, Yeah, we. And we're like, we look and we're like, Oh, we had a trailer. Like, look at the camera. We're like, Oh, and it was Dustin Craven, SLED and Arrow. Did you go back and get it? Yeah. And we went back and we were so lucky. Like, so, like literally the sled because we're on the other side of the road. So we're obviously going around a corner, right? It just wasn't, it just wasn't connected, right? I forgot who had actually helped put the trailer back on because that was kind of one of those moments where everyone's like, looking at that guy. Yeah, like you fucked up. It was like, that's what it meant. You see, that man was Spider-Man. That was that. That was that moment. Yeah, but gold chains and the trailer just, like, went into the snow. So it never flipped or anything. They were all on there. We got so lucky that it didn't fly off a cliff or like, flying to another car and then just like, went down that thing. We were able to pull the sled back up and then literally, like, I think I think the turbo, we put a bit of water on it and a big to slip right back on insane. That's a you guys are lucky. You got very lucky. Yeah. We could have went like five more hours and never even known where it happened. We would have not we would have no way to get the sleds. You did some time in Alaska. Was it this winter for this project? Yeah. This is the first year I went up to Alaska. Cool. What was that like? Crazy experience, the mountains up there. I mean, I've always been told that the mountains up there big. And you're going to be in the your mind is going to be blown. But it truly is a mind blowing experience when you go up there. It's like the scale is just like hard to comprehend. You see something up on the mountain, you're like, Oh, that cliff looks like chill. Like I could hit that in the line. And then you get up there, you're looking down and you're like, Whoa, that thing's what I thought was ten feet. It's actually a 60 foot cliff. It is crazy, right? And it's snowmobiling more or helping. We did Heli and then snowmobile a little bit at Thompson Pass when the weather was bad. And yeah we just like we'd gone some adventures and stuff but the best boarding we got was in the hallways. Me and Brandon went in, hiked one of the books one day on it. We like, rode our snowmobiles out there and hiked one of the books. But the best writing was definitely the highway. Yeah. Yeah. Good heli riding up there. Oh, my God. The longest powder runs you've ever taken. You're, like, taking a break. You're like, I can't even turn anymore. It's so fast, too. Yeah, it's scary, too. I remember, like, stopping once. Oh, no, I was. I was waiting at the bottom, and you're waiting for that heli, and you're waiting for it to come down. I remember like, sitting there being, like, Take it all in, but then also being like, fuck, like, I could fall in a hole right now and nobody would ever see me again. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like huge crevasses everywhere. It's like all glacier. Super gnarly. I remember the helicopter, like, God knows the helicopter area. There was a cliff on one side. We jumped out the other side. That was really cool. I just remember being like, really like having a hard time remembering where you're going to go because you get in the heli and you kind of look at it on the way up because you can't see over. You can't see over the edge. Yeah, you got to like, flip it in your mind, like look at it from the bottom and flip it. The interesting skill. Did it take you some time to kind of like adjust to that? I kind of felt like I was like the whole year I was like building up to it. Like we run power lines and stuff where you're like, it was blind convex rolls, so you like had to use your little use the markers on the mountain to like, know where you're at. So I felt like this year was like the first year I like, actually, I kind of understood that skill a little bit and I kind of it made sense to me like I didn't really feel too uncomfortable in Alaska when we were writing those lines because I was like, it just made sense. I was like, Okay, yeah. Like, that's actually I'm looking at it like this, and now it's a heel toe heel. You know, You're like, Okay, I'm going to be on my toes. I'd go going around that, I'm going to see that this in there. But yeah, I'd like to develop it more like Travis Right? This is insane at that. You can just, like, tell how confident he is. Yeah, because a lot of them, like in him in Landmark, I've seen where they're like, take photos, go home and they're like, study. They study it and make, okay, I'm going to try this line. And once you're up there looking down, it's so different. So it really takes a lot of time. Just like with snowmobiling. Takes time to learn to write. Yeah, you got to like, learn. There's so many different little skills in the backcountry that you don't see, like from the outside until you're actually doing it. And yeah, like one of those things, like snowmobiling or stuff like riding your line, like when you're on like a bad old snowmobile thing, it can be the worst or the best thing ever. We've heard that you actually struggled more than anyone on the snowmobile this year. It was my first year. It was like my first year, like properly sledding. And yeah, I had a lot of days getting stuck during Whistler. I would be so bummed every time we went to a new zone, they'd be like, Yeah, we're going to do a new zone today and it'd be like, No, I haven't been there on the snow. Well, am I going to be able to make it? Yeah, but that could be that really goes through your head like I've been. Same thing. Even in Mammoth, there are times when I'm like, I've been with these guys going out and I'm like, Fuck. Like, am I going to be able to make it out there and make it back like, all good. And then there are times when you just let it rip and you feel like you feel like the world. Yeah, but then burnt one dig out and then you get frustrated. And winter sledding is really tough. Fresh snow and like, that's bottomless is so different than like springtime. You even think about, like snowboarding in deep now and then when you like, get frustrated, like digging yourself out. That's one thing when you snowboard snowmobile like in deep powder, digging the sled out and then getting it out to go to go back and do it. And it's just you're putting all your energy into it. So, man, I feel you I had a moment with him for about an hour in Alaska, gave up. I started crying and I was like, they laughed. He cried. He should his pants too. But I remember like for my first, like coming of age on a snowmobile, it was always like Whistler. And it was like they'd be building you up and you're like, Well, what are we going to do? They're like, You're going to do the Brandywine turn and you're like, Well, what's that? And it's like literally a 2000 foot snowmobile up and you have to do like this s turn up this valley to get up, but people get stuck and people die all the time. Have you done that one yet? I didn't do the I didn't do the Brandywine as because we were a little deeper. We were like, we were just in a different area and we had our own we had our own little trail to get up into the Alpine from where we were staying. Our guide Mason put it in. He went and put it in solo and do this thing was hectic, like small little singletrack through the trees, a bunch of steep little steep hills zones and little plateaus. Yeah, I kind of became a what I called an 8ab snowmobiler where I was like, Hey, guys, like, I just want to go from here to wherever we're going to build this jump and ride. I'm not trying to go explore like the next best terrain because you just someone get stuck, you get stuck, the next guy gets stuck. Literally, all you do is just like, then you're just digging up sleds all day. And then there's some people who just like, love to show off on sleds, like they don't really want to snowboard as much. They just want a sled. Yeah, I mean, there's lots of those people. Do you feel is the question because there was a moment where I was surfing a lot and like as the waves got bigger, I felt more comfortable. Do you think snowboarding has helped influence or made your surfing a little easier when the surf gets bigger, or is that just me in my head? Um, I, I don't know. I it's, it doesn't really work the same for me in my head. I feel like there's like, I just I kind of treat them as like, two separate things, so which they totally are. I'm not saying anything alike, but like, when, like there was a moment where I was surfing a lot, like, most days. And, and then I felt as the surf got bigger or I surf bigger surf, people that had served their whole lives that were like, Holy shit, Like you're more comfortable. And I was like, I wonder if that's because I'm comfortable. Like going as fast as I can down a mountain. Yeah, When the surf got a little bigger, I wasn't not really concerned. Or if that was just, yeah, I mean, I think like, I mean, I like going fast as well. It's just like I think maybe just because you were surfing a lot. Yeah, possibly. Like I know when I'm surfing a bunch, like, it's just like that, right? Yeah, like I just get Mike locked back into it, but, yeah, I just like to switch into the mindset of whatever. Like, if I'm going surfing, like, my mind's on surfing, I'm thinking about surfing. There's no yeah, there's no there's no snowboarding in there. But like, and then if I'm snowboarding, there's no surfing in there. Maybe I might try to channel a little bit of surfing, like doing power calves by, like a big frontside turn or something like that. I try to put, like, make it feel a little bit like surfing. But yeah, there's not too much like, what's the big difference between, say, a surf film trip and a snowboard film trip? I'm just mainly like locations and stuff and like some surf destinations you go into are warm, so you're just chilling in trunks the whole time, which is pretty slick. That's a nice way to work. Yeah, it is pretty nice. But I feel like you go to like a little bit like you just go to different countries surfing, like feel like you get to, like, experience a little bit more like culture out of the world. When you go surfing just because you go to like a lot of remote destinations and just maybe different places that you wouldn't you wouldn't ever go there for snowboarding. So it's just like, cool, Yeah, you're not going to Indonesia to snowboard snowboarding. You don't go to Indonesia to snowboard and you're not going to you don't go to Central, you don't go to Central America to snowboard and stuff like that. So you get to see, like, I don't know, just with the two. I feel like I get to see like such a wide range of the world and I get to see these mountain crazy mountainous places and then also get to see these really cool beaches where you see the top to the bottom. So you see in the top, Yeah, into the bottom. Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? You're literally rip in Alaska. There's surfing in Central America at the, you know, the coolest lake also. But you're also finding waves that are like in the middle of nowhere where nobody else is too, right? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, like, that's the goal is to find waves, find good waves and no. And I think that's like every surfer's big dream. And how do you do that? I mean, cause, you know, obviously snowboarding, you know, you know, you can go to B.C. or you can go to Alaska or you can go to these places where aren't resorts. But surfing generally, you know, you've really got to you're it's an adventure to get somewhere where there's no one surfing. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And it's just like you kind of like connect just like snowboarding and stuff, like connections and knowing people in the different zones and meeting people along the way and just like, just like snowboarding and in the mountains, you know, you, you have to gain a lot of knowledge to be able to, like, accurately not predict, but like, you know, put yourself in like a good spot to get clips, whether it's in snowboarding or surfing, like snow. The snow's got to line up and stuff. And for surf, the waves, the wind, the tide, everything has got to line up. So there's a lot of variables in both of them. And surfing. Yeah, it's you just got to stack data for your surf trips. What's kind of like your dream trip one for filming and then two, what's your dream trip? You could bring me Diego and Brittany on this. We're kind of beginners, too, so Dream trip. I mean, like, I think I'd like to go to South Africa at some point. Maybe get up to, like, Iceland or surf Alaska to surf. I don't know. There's like some there's some cold water. Do you get the water in Alaska at all? Cold water and sharks were out on that one. Now, that was nice for us. I think I'd take you guys to Indonesia. Indonesia is great to go. Somebody going to be taking me there for a while. He just need me in the ocean. I just got back from a wedding in India where I was. I was in the main city. I was like, like north. Like what's the main city? Jakarta. And in Jakarta, Yeah, the wedding was like 30 minute or 45 minutes south of there. Well, crazy good beach breaking in Indo. Yeah. There's everything you can one in Indonesia you can find reef breaks, beach breaks through here. Beautiful, cool country. Nice. It's hard to get through from here. Yeah, it's a far it's a far journey from here. But that's why you go and stay for a little bit when you go down there. Yeah. Yeah. And you also don't stay in one spot. When you go down there, you like do you're like going off to the islands and going to like. Yeah, you know what I mean. That's like, I like go fly to Bali maybe, and then I get some food in Bali, but I don't really like to surf in Bali. That's like the main capital kind of. Yeah, well Bali's other tourist destination is like a big tourist area because Craven You always go on trips for like the whole summer He would go to Bali and just stay involved. Yeah, but then he would go off and do like surfing. You can do, you can do trips like from Bali. It's super easy to like hop on a little sketchy lion air flight and go like, yeah, somewhere sketchy, super sketchy superstars. What's one of the sketchiest moments you've had, like, surfing? MM Excuse me. Danny Definitely drown. Once we weren't surfing, we were snorkeling extreme snorkeling here. I don't know. I mean, like, Island was pretty scary just seeing the intensity of the waves out there. It was just a strong, powerful wave. Yeah, it's just. It was just gnarly. It's cold water. Yeah. That's why I really like it's cold water. They're kind of off. And we were probably like, the wave was breaking. I kind of in the middle of the ocean. Well, I would call it. I wouldn't. It's not the, you know, the ocean, but it's like it's not right next to the shore. Like you got to paddle out like a couple hundred yards or more or like half, maybe like half a mile. I don't know. Sharky Oh, I don't know. Like everywhere. Sharky I don't even think of them. Yeah, that's a good that's a good way to look at it. And shark everywhere. Like, you're always like, oh, it's, it's even shark down in San Diego. It's always the place I had Malibu. He would always see sharks when he paddleboard it. I never once saw a shark. I always every time I ducked out of my eyes and I'm like, I just feel like some people are tastier than others and they want my good meat. If you're going to get if you're going to get here, you're going to get hit by one of them. I don't know. I mean, that's fact. That is a fact. Maybe this is a dumb question. I'm not too sure. What do you prefer, surfing or snowboarding? What's comparable? In a weird way, Yeah. It's kind of apples to oranges for me. Kind of like I'm just going to choose both. What? You have better apples and oranges? Yeah, I think he just said he likes to eat more apples, but I do love orange juice better. Would you ever go into competitive surfing? No, I don't think so. No, I don't know. I. I don't know. I think, like, it kind of would suck the fun a little bit out of it to me. Like if I was competing in both things, it's kind of just like I like I like having my job, being snowboarding and competing, like the competing side is like that. So then I have an escape with the surfing to do something else. Yeah. And then too, you're right when you're doing that, two totally different things. But sit out there, serve with no phone and just being in the water. Sometimes it's just sitting out there and you just kind of like in your own world and you're kind of detached from, you know, this or electronics or whatever it is. When you're surfing, you're just like it's it's snowboarding when you're out there, snowboarding, too. But, you know, you got your phone or your headphones or whatever. It is like surfing. You're detached. Well, I see people all the time like Manhattan Beach, like, I'll look out. I'm like, There's no surf. And you just see people just boop, boop, boop. Just sitting on their board. Does that means there's surf coming? No, it usually doesn't. It means they woke up. It's amazing. They just want to go sit out there and they want to paddle out. And just like there is something special about Scott to get in the water. Yeah, like getting in the water makes you feel good. But like anything, you know, like what Judd seems like, you know, having taken something so seriously, it becomes like that job to you. And it's fun to have that, like, powerful passion outlet, you know? Well, it's just like even with painting, like when I was doing painting as an enjoy it, like something I enjoyed. And then when it became a career, it's like it kind of does take that because the pressure's on right. Yeah. The pressures of that creativity of just having fun with it when you know there are people watching or, you know, money's on the line. I mean, it's just totally changes up. Yeah. You know what I was looking at here, obviously, mentorship is super crucial. You know, there's always people to look up to, but it's crazy because you're only 22. You were looking up to Mark Morris and said to two great, amazing snowboarders with these summery influences in snowboarding. I mean, I yeah, I'd probably when I was a kid, but then as I grew up and started competing against them, I started like looking farther back to find inspiration. Yeah, like this year, like I've been watching like a lot of the TV movies while watching standard films. A lot of stuff, which is a TV was a TV too, with Jim Rip. He's doing the backflip off that Cliff was a TV too. That happened in every TV to backflip off. I know, but it was the cover. It was the cover of the movie. You might be thinking a steak and lobster. Over time. I'm thinking TV that I thought I saw. But don't be for TV was, you know, he was in TV. I was in the early ones, maybe early. I mean, if you like TV, I like it is kind of like I like, like fi I like like for on who's who's in that seven? I don't know. I like the Johann Olsen parts a lot. Like that was huge And spell writing in Alaska this year like yeah just a lot of Johan writing so that was like late nineties. Sean Farmer Those movies I heard, he was crazy. Like wasn't even that good at snowboarding. We go to Alaska and just like, hit a cliff thinking it was like you said, like 20, 30 feet and go like 100 feet. And this and that was these guys making video parts back in the day, right? Just going to Alaska for a month in like do and shit had never been done before. Yeah like they were teen off a bunch of stuff up there. Like those guys are like they have first descents. Have you ever got to go to like some of those spots? I didn't go to I didn't I don't think I like maybe we rode some of their spots like when they're in Valdez but I know like some of the stuff they filmed was in Haines and they did some drills, too, right? They did a lot of stuff in Haines, right? Haines was like the spot back then. Yeah. I've seen, like, a lot of sick geek. Like, I like that geeky riff part and optimistic. Like the intro, like, all his stuff in Haines is super sick. Yeah, he used to tear it up back then. I don't know. Yeah, I got to. I feel like all of us. And suppose if I was going to name a few guys would probably be like Nico mueller, Diggy. Craig Kelly. Johan Olsen? Yeah, my mom. Oh, she and Nicholas would have been the boss. Nicholas would have been the latest status of some of those guys you just like. And he kind of controls the garage as well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, definitely like, but for that film series, you know, mainly like, I'm sorry, not Stanford Absinthe. That was a big part of it. Yeah. It's like March through April is the time you just, like, bust up and you go to Alaska for like six weeks and post up. Hopefully you get like seven or eight good days, right? Yeah, that. And that's like what we did this year is we waited, waited like 20 days and we got seven good days. So that's how it is. Yeah. The successful, I mean that's like whistle. You give me a whistle for three weeks and not say the song. Yeah. That's a fact because you're partying so hard It's that has happened to us in Whistler. We got to see the sun a little bit more in Whistler because we were camping. What was the most like out of what you filmed for Greenhorn? What were what? What were some of the highlights? Like what stood out to you the most? What was the best trip or is it kind of all kind of, um, I don't know, like, I kind of just feel I kind of just lump it all into like, one big experience, like the whole filming thing. I don't think there was ever, like, there might have been, like, some super high points, like when we first got those waves and TS or the some of the days in Whistler or some of the days in Alaska. But I mean, like, I think overall it was just like a super slick experience and that's how I kind of wanted to go. I kind of figured you were going to say that. So my next question was, when was the last time a movie like this happened? I'm not sure because it's just snowboarding, snowboarding and surfing. I mean, I would say like, you know, inspiration was definitely watching like subject. HAWKINSON Which was always cool cause it was like Terri in this. But Terri always had like a very cool mix of like a little bit of skate, but it was also like a pretty talented surfer that would like kind of combine it. We were in a meeting yesterday and Jeff Tremaine, the creative Jack, was brought up. Terri. Terri I used to this thing where like, it was like, almost like something with your grandkids. But in one day he'd make you do all three of these kind of like things. And it was like a competition it used to do in Norway, that train, which out of nowhere trains like, Man, that Norwegian detergent. Terri. And I was like, Yeah, it goes did back in the day, like I always wish I could a film where he could do this, like you had to do all three and then you build these crazy like but snow skating was in there too, which he was always that doesn't care. But it wasn't Arctic challenge. No, it was like some like weird off the cusp thing that he did. Like in the mid-nineties. Did you ever do that with, like, your family or Pops? Because if you like doing the mammoth to surf. No, like, I don't know. I don't think we ever trifecta that. Yeah, we never tried. Called the Trifecta. The trifecta You paddle out and then yeah, ma'am, it's probably a hard one to get to, but now they've done it like they did a series where it's skate, surf, snow all in one day it started. I forget how they did it. I don't know if you and snowboarding or you. I think you always started surfing because like you're currently boarding, you go early and then you would go up and snowboard and then you'd skate at the end. I think you're right. But you'd skate at Big Bear or something, right? Yeah. Yeah, You would like I think Big Bear is probably the easiest way to accomplish it. Or Mountain High, man. Well, I don't have too much more. We pretty much at the time, code here. So Gimbal God made the movie directed. Edited? Yes. Who is the film where you mentioned early of the surf film how they got the water? Yeah. David Banner filmed Shout Shout out to him. I think everybody's super excited to see this movie. Yeah. And I heard Shoot the show The World. Yeah, we heard you earlier. Basically, just be like, Man, I'm ready to have this off my shoulders and it to be out there and then kind of on to the next thing. Yeah, for sure. You work so hard on something for so long and just like, kind of feels like you're dragging around a ball and chain at a certain point. And so I'm just ready to set this thing free. Well, Greenhorn, presented by Monster Energy is basically out. We have this little lightning round that we do at the end there. Brittany's going to fire some questions away. Congrats, dude, because I know that this was a lot of work. You've been working on this for over a year and a half, and there's probably some days where you're like, Fuck, this is too much, but it'll all it's all paid off. And now you just kind of, you know, you're, you're, you're in cruise control and you kind of get to sit back and watch everybody else select the high fives. The best part about putting out a video is like because no one actually was there to high five, you around the world watching these tricks. Yeah, but so I mean I, I was a target all year so I wasn't, you know you know that's high five the high five, high five. The high fives like everyone coming out to celebrate you. That's badass. Yeah, I'm. I'm stuck. Stoked to pull it out. All right, Lightning round first thing you do in the morning, probably go take a piss. Okay. When you get older, that happens twice in two weeks. I know. And we really bumped into each other. The best snowboard video of all time. Snowboard video of all time. It's the hard one. Let's just go TV seven tag. There we go. Soundtrack that gets you fired up. Soundtrack that gets me fired up like and pertaining to what? Anything like music. What sort of music? Um, what type of music? Yeah, just depends on the day. Are you big hip hop guy? Oh, listen, some hip hop maybe like competing. Recently I've been, like, throwing on just some death metal before I drop in some electric wizard that'll get you spinning. Yeah, let's do it to get your spinning. So favorite half pipe. Half pipe trick to throw for style. Ooh, easily got to be a skyhook. Well, it's a skyhook. It's a career player with Sailfish popularized by Shaun White. Yeah. Question, though. So you were part of this scene. When did the rodeo become the Tripler? What rodeo like frontside rodeos in the pipe became couplers. Is it like the skyhook? It happened before him. Yeah, that's. That's beyond my knowledge. Is it like the Gretsch and 540. Well it's I guess tactic I guess technically a Crip was supposed to be like, like just straight, straight, straight barrel. Right. I'll repeat. Yeah, I like back, but I feel like now it's like Danny says, it's a little bit more like, of a cork 360 kind of a rodeo type thing. You're thrown it a little bit. I used to love a f. I used to love calling the assured skyhook when I was announcing, you know, I think I. Did I mean, do you think that trick is so iconic And he could said it so he feels good. He made it look so good. Yeah. When he poked this Davis out and he was like hanging from a half stick. It's a good look in truth. All right, Choose one mammoth or La Hoya. Apples to oranges. Apples to oranges, Apples to oranges, then I don't know. Well, the next one is also apples to oranges. Favorite vacation spot, Ocean or mountains? Vacation. Okay. Okay. But I'm not going anywhere. That's not going to have oceans or mountains. So I'm not a vacation. So either one. But I'm not going to go vacation anywhere that I just said. I can't snowboard or serve or skateboard. It's not that happening. That's what we got. What's it going to what's it going to take for I know getting into the next like round Cortina looking down the line. Mm. Yes. And is there going to be, are you going to put a little drive together going into the future for Olympics. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go for it for sure. That's a great question. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I'm on track, I'm doing all the contests. No point in not trying for it. They go, not now. And that's what it actually takes. Why not try? Yeah, I'll go for it. I mean like. Yeah, you put all this time into something. Like if you show up to your contest and you don't try, you're just wasting your own. You're wasting your own time. Yeah. All right, we'll end it there. One last question. Bonus style. Who does it feel the best to be in the slopestyle or is there anyone that you grew up wanting to beat? Probably Mark Marks. Probably the best person to be. Yeah. So especially I feel like that's that feels that would feel the best if he lands because it's like, all right, I such a winning streak. This guy's done it. Always been a childhood inspiration. If this guy wins and I beat him when I wear my run, I'm stoked. Okay. What would feel better beating Mark McMorris in a slopestyle event or beating Travis Rice at the Natural Selection? Travis raised that. The natural selection bias aside, dude, he really is. He really is the best. Yeah, that's cool. All right dude. Congratulations. Green Horn out now presented by Monster Energy.