Jackson Strong and Blake ‘Bilko’ Williams, Moto X Legends & Innovators – UNLEASHED Podcast E506

Listen to the second special episode recorded at X Games Salt Lake City 2025. UNLEASHED Hosts Danny Kass and Brittney Palmer get personal with Moto X icons Jackson Strong and Blake ‘Bilko’ Williams on the sports and pop culture podcast. Recorded at the Utah State Fairpark and Event Center on day two of competitions, the episode blends personal X Games moments with special memories of action sports icon and podcast host, the late Luke “The Dingo” Trembath.

Motocross fans can’t miss this one! Hailing from Lockhart, Australia, Strong is the most winning Moto X Best Trick athlete in X Games history with an unequaled track record: “Jacko” made history as the first rider to land a frontflip in competition and evolved the sport with trick creations like the Jack body varial. But even with 18 X Games medals (including eight gold!) under his belt, he’s still chasing trophies and never-been-done tricks. He is joined by Australia’s Blake ‘Bilko’ Williams, known for pushing the boundaries across motocross disciplines from racing to freestyle. Bilko earned the title of FMX rider of the year in 2009 and stoked stadium-sized crowds ever since the first-ever Nitro Circus Tour in 2010. Never slowing down, Williams shares his favorite X Games moments and memories of action sports icon the late Luke “The Dingo” Trembath in this special episode – only on UNLEASHED!

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Welcome back to Salt Lake City Unleashed podcast. Exciting episode here at X games. We got two amazing guests. We got Jacko Strong 18 X Games medals, eight gold, quite a few others. Definitely building the legendary status himself. Side by him. We got Bilko, Mr. Williams, pioneer of many amazing tricks, lots of X games medals, and probably one of the biggest characters in motocross, freestyle, motocross. And then of course, the beautiful Brittany Palmer, multi time UFC ring girl, amazing artist. And what a girl. Thank you. How are you doing today? I'm doing really good. I am Danny cast and I am excited to be here at X games, that's for sure. I got to say, Danny, dude, your intros are strong, man. That was someone that worked on it all morning long in the shower gave me warm and fuzzy something good. Will you give me the warm and fuzzy is every time I see you. Hey, careful with my goodness, boys. Come on. Careful. Well, welcome back to the show. It's been an honor to have you guys before. Obviously, this is a huge, you know, moment for us within Monster and the unleashed podcast to really, you know, pay homage and honor. You know, the late, great Luke Trembath, the Dingo, our best friend and, one of the most amazing people of action sports who wasn't their action sport or person, say that one. But yeah, he did well on Danny in The Dingo. That was, Yeah. I mean, we got to adventure around the world, and I remember when we were making that show and got to meet the young Bilko, which was an amazing. Yeah, that was period to. I almost came to Burning Man with you guys, but then I got cold off that would. That would probably a good thing. I think we all would have been different if we went into burning. And that year many people go to Burning Man. Many people come home different. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of I kind of lucked out. You know, I. And Brittany, what is going on with you? How are you feeling today I feel good. It's hot outside. It's it's it's hot, but I feel good. I am officially this is a proud moment. This is my first X-Games. Not hung over. Thank you. Tom. Thank you so much. Wow, wow. Maturity or tomorrow's another day. Though I might be saying something different, but today I feel great. It's only one day to go so you can send it tomorrow. And I can send it tonight. And then fly tomorrow like a champion. And then you leave in early. So I just kind of just cancel. If you wait till Sunday night, I'm over. I think we go for it. Yeah. I think we go hard tonight at sublime. That's right, that's right. Well, before we get to today and tonight, let's talk about yesterday. I mean, it was a pretty exciting day here at X games. Quite a few events. Obviously the vert skate was a highlight for many, but freestyle motocross was definitely what everybody was cheering for. That was a pretty wild contest. There was a lot of new tricks throwing down a lot of, a lot of close calls and yeah, some innovation, which is what we love to say. And best hurt. Yeah, it was a good one. I, I fell a little, little short of my marks last night where I kind of wanted to be. I didn't quite get out what I wanted to get out, and, But I walked away with a nice bit of whiplash, so I'm kind of like, moving like this today to, to look at everyone. But he's not just the chair. Yeah, yeah. The, I was pretty proud to see Benny and Tommy Richards. They're the two young guys that were in Best Trick last night. They've been coming to my house since they were, very young age. So, like two years, you know, like their father figure out, like. Yeah. Was a, It was a proud dad moment last night, for sure. Yeah, it definitely seems like. I mean, both of you guys within that upcoming, you know, the riders, you guys have really kind of, like, ushered in and brought in some people because, I mean, you had people like Deegan, and these people bring you guys up. Yeah. It's great to share the experience with someone else and share the, I guess hope the next generation come through. You know, it's good for the sport. It's good for everyone, and it's good to see a smile on the dial. Yeah. It's like if I knew now what? I didn't invite you now when I back then you'd be far away from here. Yeah. I wouldn't believe in as much in there. Yeah, sure. But, Yeah, just share that knowledge and, you know, contests experience a little ins and outs that come up and surprises and stuff. And. Yeah, Jacqueline's got the farm and everything there and take some little tricks and tips on the way like cam and I kind of did with Gio. So yeah, it's it's, it's a brutal sport. It's it's, you know, it's it's hard to know everything about it just from looking in from the outside, inside. If you've got someone helping you out, it really does help. It's one of those ones. Like every year you get a little smarter, but every year the body gets a little older. So it's like finding that good balance. If I knew what I knew now when I was 18, I'd be fucking dangerous. What would you do different? What would I do if I, you know, as many late nights? No. Just kidding. Yeah. No, I do all that time, I would probably. Yeah. It's about knowing when to hold him, follow them, walk away and when to run. Oh, I barely folded and I just folded myself into the back of the ambulance too many times. Yeah. So now my my brain could still know exactly what to do, but my body can keep up. Yeah, my body still feels. Oh, yesterday it felt great. Yeah. I mean, I always like to say if I could go back in time, I would just go back and make more mistakes. Yeah. You know, have more fun I think so that's. But though we did live some of the best adolescent years, we had a great, no good story to tell it, but it's, it's not it's definitely the, the, the things you remember it probably at the time you're like, geez, that that maybe not the brightest move, but it's all those things that make life exciting. I think it's that growing up, you know, having fun. Yeah. Or not growing up, that's what I'm trying to do. Yeah, exactly. I was curious kind of to both of you guys like talking about the younger riders and like, you know, familiar with some of these other sports like snowboarding and skateboarding. It seems like there's like this like real amateur kind of pipeline in. But for freestyle motocross, like, what is that like path a young rider can take because it seems like it's, there's no like right or wrong way to do it. Yeah. I think it's, it is difficult at this point in time to come in because the tricks, it's, everything like it is quite a dangerous sport. So it's difficult for a young guy to come in. But in saying that, I think the sport's progressing in the the right direction with air bag landings and things like that. Like it's tough. Tough. I grew up in the area where it was dirt and studied Bilko, where everything was. It was kind of a man. You had to learn it, learn it? Yeah. It wasn't. Yeah, there's bigger, bigger ramps and and consequences there. From that, more brutal. So to have, I think it's moving in a safer direction, making it easier for some of the younger guys. It's a lot easier to, to build up and just do shows now, you know, like back when I started doing the backflip was still the unknown, you know, maybe 20, 30 riders in the world had done it. So it was hard to gauge it. Now you just know that thousands of people have done it. So it must be easy. But now an entry level trick is like a double backflip. So, yeah, if you're sitting on the couch at home, think I want to get into freestyle motocross, you need a ball like he needs an airbag or a foam pit to practice on. You need land. So if you notice a lot of us Aussies, we grew up on farms. So I live on ten acres down in Melbourne, Jacko's in the middle of nowhere in New South Wales. And then, few of the boys up on the Gold Coast. So yeah, we're all kind of grew up on the farm with lack of parental supervision and just. Yes. And in the backyard. Yeah. So if you want to be coming up in rider, it might be a good idea to move like next door. Yeah. One of your guys's compounds and. Yeah, definitely helpful. And then speaking of some of these tricks that kind of come and go, but like, with the backflip coming in, the Flying Dutchman, right? Your variations of these three 60s, we don't see them very much anymore. Yeah, I see him at all. But it looks like one of the more complicated, kind of like rotations, the, the spinning of the bike. When you go 360, your margin for error is like 5%. Either way, where flip, you can come in heavy on the front wheel over very tight like Jacko did. He's got a bit of a whiplash. That was a 360 and he under rotated that bad with head slapped into the ground pretty decent. So and then when you start jumping off the motorcycle mid 360 it changes the just angle of the angle. You know, when you start to come around, it's altered the way you're spinning. And then you can be leaning over to the left or the right as well as the back end under, over rotating. So it kind of adds that extra bit of rotation in there to, to make it a little bit more difficult. And you think that's something we might see kind of return some of these, flip spin rotations? I don't think so because I didn't get that in school very well for a long time. And I don't know why, but, the consequences of learning them and doing them consistently, it's it's called a dangerous trick even on the airbag because you can get. Yeah. Slapped down really hard if you underaged tried at all. And yeah, there's not really a margin for error on that track. And yeah, some people just don't want to learn it because it's not really do you not really get rewarded for it? I know and that's the biggest bummer right. Like not getting rewarded for something so absolutely dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. That's, soccer X games. One year I did the rule of flip the year before, and they did that. And then I'll like, I'll bring something new and did a 360. He'll click out and I got beat by two rule of flips. I'm like, damn it. Just stuck with what I could already do. Where are we talking about that yesterday on how like how based on the technical of the trick, it should get more points rather than just the trick. It's like, what were we saying yesterday at the same exact chance at night, you mean right? If if it's a new trick or not? Yeah. Like that. Because you're creating something new and how technical it really is, rather than compared to another one, that you should just get more points. That's what it just depends on how innovative and how big the trick was. Like, it might be a new trick, but it might not be that huge. But if it's new and like the big last night when he took the win, yeah, that was a huge combo. And it's never been done before. So. But also Tony Richardson second, he's never done before body variable. So they were both up there. I just think that front flip with the combo that Robbie did just was enough to edge out Tommy. So that was a never been done very well. The one where he kind of like rotated left. Yeah. Bent the fender like a fender in half. Holding on. Yeah. He was adjusting the plastic mid-flight. The, he did a we did a lot of training at home, a whole lot to the to a bag landing before we left in the middle of winter. So the because the plastic was in hot, it didn't, didn't bend like it was much, much, much higher. And then here because it's in summer when he grabbed it, the things ran. Oh it back completely in half. I mean that must have been a look like stay mini. Yeah, we should have. We should, I set up before we went out there. A little ice spray. Remember that for next time. Yeah. So just another thing you wish you knew before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll. I'll get the pad and pan out and add it to the long list. And as we're at X games. Jakob, can you tell us a little bit about the Japan X games and what that was like? Yeah, Japan was good. It was fun. It's, Japan is a lovely place. It's, culturally, it's, pretty like. It's interesting. I think it's my fourth time there, and the food's good people. And ice is a somewhat a little bit of a language barrier there. That's a little bit difficult to get over at target. You, Yeah, that's about all I got. And, I only know bad words. Yeah, I know that. But, yeah. Could it, could she, could I Ching ching? Not that my boyfriend has a small penis. Thanks for looking at me. Yeah. Yeah, in Japan was good. It was, Yeah, it was a good, good event all around. I think it was, it was super nice. Being indoors was hot and humid outside, and we had a nice air conditioned stadiums, very spoiled, on that, that side of things indoors is just the best in general. Yeah, yeah, there's no wind. There's no, like, getting ready for contests, thinking are we going to get shot down into tomorrow? That's a big, place checks on them on that one. So it's nice just going. You know, we are on at 530. Yeah. And how is like the crowd? Because I know they're, like a little bit more conservative. So was it like, kind of a a fun thing for them to see some of this crazy. Yeah. Definitely. Like the completely shocked and surprised and yeah, there's no boobs or anything. Yeah. No, no. Where are the boobs come out the most. Australia. Australia. No. It was yeah, it was good. They definitely, they love action sports in Japan. I think it's got a pretty big, especially freestyle over there. It's got a big following. There's some great writers with Tucker and the likes that have come out of Japan. So they, Yeah, they definitely get around freestyle. It's a lot of history in the country. And what's the process for like shipping your equipment over there and getting a dirt bike in Japan? They had some bikes over there. X-Games organized just to stock bike. And then we travel with suspension and normally about 50 kilos. Okay. So you can kind of build your own. Yeah. Get there and make your own. And what's that like compared to riding your own gear? It's good. No. When we come back after the first ride and everything slows because you forgot to put something on a tight fitting house. And apart from that, it's okay. Yeah, but it's only for you. Suspension, handlebars. Subframe. Plastic. Say, it does feel like you're biking home. Maybe the engine runs a little different, but that can vary. Even if you have your own bike. Like here, where at elevation. So that that really chokes the motorcycle and struggling for oxygen. So it's a lot slower. It's, just depends where you are. Really? Yeah. Elevation is a big one. Wind and elevation are the two big? In other words, I nice. Anyway, so how did you feel with the elevation here? Yeah, it was a struggle, but yeah, I kind of got used to it. It's not where I think we're at 40 200ft, so it's not. It's manageable. Yeah, I could feel the heat though. But that. Does that, like, make it a little bit worse because it's hot and. Yeah. And the heat makes it a lot worse. Yeah. With the the brings the performance down a lot. So. So how do you balance all the, the personality the commentating and then still getting to ride and show off. Well it's been pretty quiet for the last couple of years. I've had a few ankle surgeries to try and get that thing fixed. But I just like having fun. So from bouncing around from announcing then to, to writing shows, I don't really compete anymore. These guys stepped it up too much. So my competing days are over, but so are a lot with Nitro Circus, so that keeps me really busy. And yeah, lots of shows with them and it's just like a fun time being able to travel with your friends. And yeah, I'll just keep believing that experience is awesome. And then besides, like X games is the Nitro Circus kind of like the premier stadium platform for comics right now? Yeah, it's pretty much like they're still touring alive and dynamite just bought it. So, they've got some big plans. I just did a tour in Brazil, Australia at the end of the year, then a US indoor tour in November, knows what to do. And then, you've got Freestyle Kings as well doing shows. They said Dana was like really like stepping it out there. Like bringing back the pyrotechnics. Right. Yeah I heard yeah, yeah. Like amping up the fireworks. Just, ran into, Ricky Melnick and you'll be. Showed me his footage of jumping the Volkswagen. Little, like, real climbing hoop. It was like, that seemed pretty fun. I think it's in his. He unlocks his phone. It's right there at the moment. Yeah. I believe I was like the fifth person that he saw that he had to go over and show that. Yeah, he's definitely in love with that move. But I mean, I'd be in love with that move, to be honest. We should send you down the ramp, I will go. What's your weapon of choice? Tricycle, BMX, mountain bike. Mountain bike. You have to run a safe, though. Okay. All right. Have you, have you guys done any anything else on those besides the motorbike? I flipped a BMX in 2010 and blew my ACL, and then everyone got banned from it. And then Jacko stepped up in, Welcome. Oh, God. Yeah, I did mining blogger. I tried to double find a mountain bike on there. And you didn't. The first one you j down at the transition got your knees wobble like a baby. You're off. And they barely made the gap. Frank. I see the back of it. I'm terrible on a bicycle. I'm like, when I jump, I keep pedaling in the air. AJ yeah, just I've got to do a flip. Otherwise it all gets too scary. You get panic, you say, yeah. So, and what are you guys looking forward to? Today we got, I believe is their best whip tonight. Best, best weapon we have, today is. Well, Baymax. So that's always an exciting one. Yeah. Baymax! That's one of my favorite events. We go back to the gym two days. And what's in what's in there? And is that something you guys can, like, study and pull inspiration from as far as BMX on the dirt? Yes. And not for trick, because a lot of the stuff that I do is spinning and like tidal waves and spins, which obviously we can't do. Yeah, well, it's been stuff that you can definitely pull something out of it. You can get inspiration from anywhere. Someone making a coffee. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Especially with the foam. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Nice. And you're going to be on the mic for Best Whip. Yeah. That's exciting. I love to watch my watch. My, I've already dropped the bomb on here, so. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. Who, who are the favorites in the best. Beat that. Yeah. I think if I'm going to call it, I think fan Stefan Jolene's going to definitely take it and watch practice the other day. And he was like, he's incredible. He's won it before. So he's be looking good. A couple of guys that ride electric bikes live, step back to gas bikes. Why? I was looking good. Tomtom, pay Jared McNeil. Yeah, fella. He's he's he hasn't won since 2019 and he's, one of the few times, so. Yeah, I think we'll be Vin stepping and Tyler will be up there as well. Yeah, definitely. Tyler, when the, when the pressure's on, Tyler knows what to do. Yeah, he's he's definitely an animal beast. Because there was that kind of controversy last year, a little bit between the gas and the electric in the web controversy. It's for a better wood and a bigger with and that in there somewhere. Well, what's the better word? I didn't know there was. There was some unfairness, I don't know, I can't really ride either. Right. I mean, have a mountain bike. That's about it. Yeah. It might be easier to whip with the jar on that used. It's still incredibly hard to to whip up a bike that far. So they're all on the level playing field. I just yeah I do it a little easier. But you still have to have the balls and the skill to do it. And there was all the guys on electric bikes that couldn't whip as big as Patrick. So yeah, hats off to Patrick. What he did was unreal. But this definitely is an advantage in with with the with the electric bike for sure. Like it makes it a lot easier for those guys. I'm not sure why they're banned from Step Up. And, Patrick. Oh, that step up a quarter and a quarter. And best trick. Yes. Quarter. I think there's probably an advantage in there. I know we saw Raja last year and he didn't go. And Creed still one on a gas bike. But I think with the there is an advantage in there. And the elevation, especially elevation especially this year and then, freestyle this is an advantage as well. But it's, it's innovation and it's freestyle like I believe it should be opened up in there because it's part of moving this sport forwards for the better. What advantage do you think it's got just being on the spin a little faster. Yeah just spin spin a lot faster. And you've got Nike so you can go. You've got a 20 mile an out to 100 mile an hour rear wheel speed, and you use your gyro on a motorcycle a lot to make things spin faster and slower. So I think, it'll definitely be the future at some point in time, we'll be thinking, had how did anyone ever write a gas bike and do that? Yeah. And then I think when they're developing a lot of battery. Right. So it'll cut down the weight a lot too. Yeah. There's there's a couple guys or one guy last year that had a lot of battery. Yeah. And that's definitely helps a lot to you know, to take the weight down. And then you can do, do things like putting heavy tubes in to say, oh, if you've got a heavier rear wheel, you're going to be able to use that gyro a lot more if you look at it. And NASCAR's a good example, when they they can do a backflip and a front flip all in one jump, just with the gyro up the spin. No way. Yeah. And I on the track system and then. Yeah, yeah yeah. It's another good example. The big wheels on there. They do. They just jump and then if you accelerate and the wheel start spinning the car will flip around. Another good example is this. Yeah I start with the front flip. Right. You probably do that. Yeah. Unless you gotta get some brigade. They can just move around so that gyro is helps help so much good examples a snowmobile as well. You can do it. Years ago someone had a remote control set up on wanting to compete on a like full size sled, and it did a backflip in the foam pit without anyone on it. Just using that jar of that throttle line. Having no transmission is what does it is he's the you're. So you're telling me there's a chance like you could just put me on it and then we can control you. We'll put you on my hand so I can't ditch it and just. I could do a backflip. Yeah, yeah, I'll. I'll hang onto the remote. Not. I'd want to do it in the water. That. Yeah. Pin it all the way over. Yeah. I can't see. So I know, you know, obviously with Fedex, you guys deal with some incredibly large and annoying injuries. Painful long ones. What about the little ones? Like the little things that can really mess up? You put a Band-Aid on it. Keep going. No, that's. That's it. Yeah. He's going to fix it better. Yeah. Like jammed fingers. Not going to. Yeah. I'm not going to mess with you. We've ever had like a really annoying one. I mean, last night you kind of had the, you know, little neck spasm whiplash. Yeah. Sometimes I find the smallest ones, the the worst ones. Like, I broke my scaphoid a few years ago. And that's like the small bone in you recently with very little blood flow. Ever. Any advice? I got one of those pills. They got this guy there, and that one was one that just went on for 12 months of justice. So race. But and then a I did another one called this Frank in My foot, which is just like, yeah, it's just a super small break in your foot. But it has the, Tony Hawk, whatever the shit is in the middle, the whole cartilage together, the ligaments in there. And that's a nasty one as well. That took me like 12 months to be able to walk straight again. But yeah, it's definitely the if you do get a if you're unfortunate enough to get it a clean break, it's like a leg or an arm. It's like, you know, you got six weeks and you, you better. What about you, Bilko? What's the smallest, most annoying injury you have? Because I know that you got some some big ones and you just had surgery, right? Oh, I had surgery number 11 on my ankle. Yeah, I destroyed that in 2007, and I had really bad luck. I had a all right surgeon, but that my best friend stood on it ten days later, and I been sticking out, blew up like a football, and then I got messed up. Then I pulled all the metal out early, and then it healed on a massive angle and it was just crooked. I was from that point, from 2007, I couldn't really run anymore. I could put a motor boot on and ride, so I just kept riding. But as for the little nagging injuries, I just need help on this one thoroughly. No, yours are just all big like these little ones don't really bother me. What about you, Brittany? Let's hear some of your action, sport. Injuries you've had. No. You know, I actually just, tore my knee when I was snowboarding. On New Year's ligament, I. I think it was the ligament on my knee. I know it was. No, no, it was, it was like MCL, PCL. Yeah, it was here. And it, like, tore it, but it wasn't anything like too bad. But it just like that feeling of being close to doing something really damaging. It scared the shit out of me. It's like a rubber band just exactly stretched the rubber band. That's exactly what the doctor said. And then I wouldn't put some stem cells in it. Now we're good. Yes you are. Yeah, I think it for the stem cells. Well, actually, have you ever thought about time? I did some in Costa Rica, I was there I but when your ankles like 80% fucked. Yeah. It kind of might, might bring it to 70, 75. There you go. Just gotta go for the next ten years. Every year. Yeah. So, Yeah, my ankles short. My last one. So it doesn't hurt anymore because it's completely fuzed right now. It's just there for decoration. Yeah. That's it, that's it. So as we're here at X games, right, we're talking about FM X. What do you think is like the next step and what should X games bring back or add to for FM X big courses? Yeah, courses are always cool in freestyle, but it is unachievable in some locations. Unfortunately, what I think would be cool for freestyle is doing a, three, just three actions in a row. So it's kind of like BMX. So you got to simulate that and then you just three jumps in a row. That way you get like a hybrid between backstroke and freestyle. I think that would be really cool. Yeah. And then you'd have to have a variety factor in it too as well. So, yeah, I'd like to see I'd like to see that happen. Sure. I think that's a great idea and not miss the runs of it where it was like you still had like the moment to do a style trick or set up with a bit of all, you know, without flipping, and then bring in something completely different. Let it play two days in freestyle ended up just being a best trick. Throw down in freestyle. Really like it with two 75ft ramps and everyone just rolled around in circle. Yeah, just look repetitive for the crowd. Whereas if you had a like Home Depot set out of the Coliseum where those ten different jumps had dirt lifts, had the 120 ramp, yeah, the 120. That was cool. And also then I had to step on to the elevated. The 75 ramp was about 15ft in the air or so. Yeah. You jumped over the 120 landing. That was really cool. Yeah. Or even like some like different style features, right where you have like a wall ride or, you know, something kind of like a, like a Marnie pad could be really fun where it's not just like about the best trick, but still have that in there. Yeah. The, G2, I had a wall where I did. I have manual pads. At one point, I think I did Jesse Olson out of his house. That was. Yeah, I have a lot of terrible memory variety. Wilson's got some, Yeah, manual pads and stuff in his compound, but they are fun. It's just, if you if you've only got a 60 or 90 second run, it's like. Do you. How do I since I'm on it. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're not going to have to you'd have to get half. You'd have half. Yeah. It's on the way to the big jump. Yeah I guess if you, it'd be cool to build that into it and build up right tricks. Since you had to do a certain amount of uprights in a run or if you did the, if you did do like the three ramps in a row to simulate, like a hybrid thing, you've got to do an upright in there and you got to do a flip trick, and you've got to do you do weird whip and upright. But I think it just just to upright it. Yeah. Minimum of one upright trick. Yeah. Now be cool to show it. Variation in different riders. Yeah you lazy whip out of it. Otherwise I wouldn't be allowed in. Yeah. All right. We are live on Twitch and we have a chat going. And also in there put in. I have some questions in the chat, but anyone who's watching, if you have any questions for the boys, please enter it. So one of the questions do nerves get to you the first day of your race? Yeah, definitely nerves. Or that's what they meant to be there too, you know. Yeah. If you're focused and motivated. But I find it's, the most stressful time for me of an event is waiting around for the event once the helmet goes on, it's I. I know the Aki guys up. Yeah, the IQ guy helmet goes on, Aki goes down, and it. Yeah. Is it hard to detach like the IQ from the brain? They're going into some of these things. Paper is Bowman the special talent where you don't think. Yeah, yeah. You just got to cut on this thing. Block it out. Yeah. That's my Monday listening. Monday? Yeah. I just think you have to be, like, a little bit, like, towards yourself. You have to be arrogant and cocky, like, I'm gonna land this trick, because if you start second guessing yourself, like you're only saying that to yourself at the top of the roll and you're not shouting it out to everyone, I'm gonna here, I'm going to land this. But if you start thinking, oh, I messed it up in the foam pit that three times, I did this wrong. I did that wrong. All I know right before you drop in, and then you're most likely going to crash psych yourself out. Yeah, you have to sit out there and go, I've got this, I've got this. Even though there's a good chance you might be hit. So, yeah, well, we are giving away a year supply of Monster Energy. And the trivia question is, what year did Jacko learn? Land. His first front. Flip it 2011, 2011. That's right, 2011. So you have to email unleashed podcast at Monster energy.com. You get a year supply of Monster Jam I do. That's a lot. Well, if you emailed the answer, maybe you don't supply I know, but they're supposed to listen and then report it. I feel like we've done this show before actually 2010. But anyway, was it 2010 or 2011 games? Either 20 X games is 2011. I did one at home in 2010. Well, we're talking about in fact game. Yeah I'm trying. You know, I do a lot of things. Yeah. Come on. I'm trying to think that home they do reverse backhand and splash. Yeah I've invented a couple FM moves myself. Yeah. Now 96. Can you go into that? Well, that's just my racing number. All right. Cool. Yeah. Actual hockey in my dream is that actual houses? Yeah. Houses. It's Hodges, it is Max stars. These guys have done more flips than you've done flipping channels in the last couple days. Yeah. Good one. Dad. Thanks. Yeah, I got some. Dad. Yeah. Oh, come on, you're a king of dad jokes. Yeah, I am, but more than burger patties than you have. Yeah, the flying Dutchman. Dutchman. Well I wanted to come back and I know that just you guys already know and I mentioned it yesterday. This is our first time coming back after we lost our brother Dingo. And we mentioned you guys are all you both were extremely close with Dingo. And if you started to mention a story that I have to hear and you have to tell everyone watching about you and Dingo, you got it. We got to just do it. Jump in. While we were out at a Monster party, having a few orders, and then it kind of spiraled after that, and I ended up going, passing out all that Jacko I got for me. Yeah. So you weren't there? Nah, I remember the style of it. But then they played a trick on me. Yeah, I can't remember what trick we played, but I remember waking up on my watch. Yeah, I like wake up in the morning and we were at a We're the Monster party and we had quite a late night. And, I remember waking up and I was lying in bed and I, I looked over and all I saw was a naked human next to me with long blond hair lying next to me and, like, looking rolled over the other way. And then I, like, pulled the covers off. And I think I only had boxers on well. And I was like, I started to freak out and get very worried. I was like, what did you do last night? And then I went to like, get up and sneak out nice and quietly, and then I had and then, they must have been awake as well. And he knew that you knew what was happening and knew that I didn't know that it was him next to me. And he rolled over and just started the hysterically laughs. Very good. Yeah. He caught you trying to sneak out on them. Then I thought that it was it. Oh, you just saw the heron. Thought it was that it was a girl. I thought it was a girl. Next to me was man, the big old Jake Miller here without his ethical. Yeah. Now we both had it I think is on, but we just. Yeah, it was one of those ones, you know, when you wake up the next day and everything's just extremely funny and. Yeah, the heart sank for a minute there. I was like, oh, no. Okay. And did you guys play any pranks on, Bilko? Yeah, I forget what I used to tell you. What you were watching. I was freaking out the next morning. But, yeah, the reason you were sleeping in Dingo’s bed is because Harry got confused. And that was another year. We'll leave that. Leave that one out. Yeah, yeah, I think the wrong room to guy number two. Yeah. Now there's many, many, many very fond memories over the years. I think that somehow we always seem to end up in the early hours together, wherever we were. And it was, Yeah. Very. Yeah. Very cherished. Yeah. I mean, it's something we used to get to travel when we were doing our show all the time, and everyone would look at us weird because we'd be like, we have a budget, everyone can have a hotel room and Dingo and I'd be like, no, we just want to stay together. Yeah, but there might only be one bed. We're like, that's fine, we're fine with it. You know? Yeah, it was the beach. But yeah, I mean, it was just like, there's just those moments on the road that like, that's what kind of creates those memories and builds that bond is like sharing the space. You know, it's not about like having your own little private zone, but about getting getting real close in the motor home. So just traveling everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember when you guys that happened, he actually called me to kind of let me know that this had happened to me. And I was like, dude, it should have been you. You should have been with me. When that happens, as long as he still had his underwear on, we're all good. Yeah, I can promise you. I don't go that way. So you him, I think that. No, that's really what it's about. Like when you're traveling. Like when we're traveling together, when you guys are together. It's just this experience. It's like, almost like a traveling circus, right? Like everyone just, like, leaves their lives from all over the world, and then they all come together and they have to, like, perform, and then they're drinking, and then they have to perform over, and then they're like, having never done that. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm sober today, so everything's good. But I think that there's definitely builds a different connection, even with Ariana and I. I mean, we traveled the world together with U of C, and I think that's what made us so close. Had we not done you have seen, we probably wouldn't be the friends that we are today, because I think traveling and having that comradery with someone in this really weird bubble of a niche that this is, and you seem to find the same, you seem to find those couple of people along the way that for us, it was all, Aussies on the two of us with Nitro. Yeah, the people that kind of fit along the way. Jack had cut the pair out on the bus one night. I can't remember how that how we don't have to go into all the details of cut the power on the bus. Yeah, something broke the, the, a good one. We did have, like a Monster. We all had a zoom after after Dingo’s passing, and I was talking to, I think it was Dingo’s from Haskell. It doesn't events. And we were saying, every event's never going to be the same. Like, one of my things about going away Like, one of my things about going away and traveling and going to an event, you kind of excited, like Dingo’s. The guy that you you're excited to go and you know, you know, it's going to be a good time. You know, once the event's over there, you're going to have a whole lot of fun. And that's the one that definitely makes it difficult And that's the one that definitely makes it difficult now to build up the, the, the life of the party. And. Yeah, yeah. Because it's like it's always the same everywhere we went. Yeah. Like we always have like a partner in crime. But it was like I think we all really started to realize like did you everybody's partner. Yeah. I'm like, he was out there doing absolutely anything and everything and just like just burning memories into people's minds anywhere, you know? Yeah. Well, what is one we have on our questions? What is one word that describes Dingo’s energy larger than life? That's three words. But hey, hey, he deserves it. He deserves two more words. You can hyphenate it. Yeah, I would say loud. There's a lot of times where I would, like, whisper a secret to him. Like in the club about someone right that way. And he would always repeat it three times louder than you just said it. Yeah. Like laugh and you're like, stop these. Definitely loud, loud life. Yeah. But in life, yeah. Just the way he dressed, the way he carried himself. I mean, the way he dressed was he took up space. Yeah. He took up space in everyone's best interests. And we're always forwards to you know, there was no there was like everything was positive and so selfless. That's a big. Yeah. No ego. Just he was there to make everyone happy. Just he was there to make everyone happy. There's like very few times I've like got a no out of him. Like no like I'm not going. No. You're like whoa. And you'd get it. And it'd be like a huge shock. You right. All right, I get it. You're like, he really must not be one out of a thousand. You need to rest. It's a no. Okay. Yeah. You know, it's a no. When the voice gets so husky and I've seen it a few times. Oh, yeah. It was a few guys on, Danny and the Dingo, and you had to snowboard and, Yeah, he's like, oh, I've got a food poisoning or something or something, but, you know, you're just hung out if I get up. Oh, I tortured him. Yeah, I've been watching rewatching a lot of those. Yeah, I watched them all and it's like it's just, oh, my. I put him through hell, yeah. But I think you also made him extremely happy. You guys were like brothers. Oh, it was, it was absolutely the best. Yeah, yeah. You got to have that person that. Yeah, he he lifted you up and then. Yeah. You put him for your health for it. That's good. It's a combination. Yeah. Why do we think that he always made everyone feel so welcome. Like it didn't matter who it was. Yeah. It can be. Yeah. Big hot. Yeah. Yeah. It's just. Yeah. And it was like curious. Right. Like he was just so curious about anyone. It didn't matter. Like the level of fame or whatever. It was like I'd seen him become best friends with, like, just someone who worked at a restaurant. And you would know absolutely everything about them to the point where it was like, okay, you know, every one of their kids names. I can barely remember some of my friends. Yeah. And you, like, have built this like Bank of just information, you know? Yeah, yeah. He's special. Yeah. He lived, lived plenty of live life to the fullest. Yeah. He did. Oh, here's a good. We miss him dearly. Fill in the blank. Oh, yeah. Brittany Dingle was the kind of guy who, gave the best hugs. Yeah, that he did. He did give a good all. Bilko, Dingo is the kind of guy who, you know, always get caught up with. Picked up a girl? Yeah. Picked up your best friend. That happened. That did happen. Yeah. Jacko. Dingo is the kind of guy who made you want to go to events. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Danny, Dingo is the kind of guy who you could not keep up with. Yeah, no, I could never outlast. Wake up earlier, but not not later. Well, thank you guys for sharing your story. No worries. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. And his spirits with us, right? I mean, oh, yeah. This is his basically his Super Bowl was X games. And how we went from being like fans at 16 to then somehow Dingo was a part owner in X games. Absolutely. Just his a testament you know, to set goals and then you'll accomplish even more, right? Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a, it was very, very comforting having him on the board to know that the ship's getting steered in the right direction. I'm sure it is still, but it was, he's, he's got that just poor understanding of action sports that made it like he just got it. He understood everything. Yeah, and, like, the ability to, like, translate what you really wanted to, what it needs. And he would ask and listen and push for everything in the right direction. And that was it. Definitely a huge asset for action sports in general, to have someone who just gets it in their time, splitting the lines between suits and ties and a bunch of action sports idiots. Yeah, and he can. He is that person that can talk with the suits and ties and talk with silly, silly action sports guys as well, you know, mate in the middle. Yeah. He's like the only one who basically wouldn't suit but never wore one because he was marrying someone. Yeah, but she did do that. Yeah. Yeah, he did that. Yeah, a couple times. All right. So what do you guys remember about your first X games experience? Pretty wall. It was 2006, and it was when Travis Christian did the double flip. So, funny thing was, I didn't even watch X games a year before on TV because I didn't have cable in Australia. And then next year I'm in it. So it was all kind of overwhelming. Didn't really know what was happening and how big of a deal it was. And the worst thing was I was tied with Knight for second, and then Travis did the double flip and Staples Center went into like a 15 minute standing ovation, and the scoreboard kept switching me and Knight from third to fourth. And I'm like, everyone's like, good job, man. I wanted to get third or fourth because if I got fourth, I'm leaving. And it kept switching backwards and forwards and because of all the hype around, Travis is double. Rightfully so. They didn't end up figuring it out for like 15 minutes. And I'm just sitting there like, just forget it. Medal or not, get a medal or not. Because if I got fourth, I want to leave. So it was it was awesome night. And to witness the double flip in person was was crazy. And yeah, I'm on live. Yeah. Every time I watch it on TV now I get pins and needles saying, Travis, do that. And where did you finish? I finished third, yeah, I got fourth is the worst. Yeah. Terrible. Fourth. I'd rather get lost. And fourth. Yeah. Officially suck. Yeah. Wow. She's back up for the class, and I. I feel you, though. Yeah. My first one was, 2010, and I came in, came in swinging and crashed in practice and knocked myself out. And it was, it was over for me pretty quickly then. And then next year, 2011 came back and in Best chicken landed in front flip and got gold for my, my first event, did a three peat after that, didn't you. Yeah. The jack and then yeah, I didn't I can't remember once you knock yourself out doing what were you going to do at that contest in 2009? It was it was a freestyle run. And there was a it was in the Coliseum. And I remember there was a double double and I had to rotate it a flip and split my hip open on the, triple clamp handlebars on the, on the back of the flip lever. And then I didn't tell anyone because I didn't want to get, it was wrapped for the event, and I didn't want to get taken out of the event because I wanted to be there so bad, medically disqualified, and then came around the next corner, or the next practice round came round, knocked myself out, and then woke up. And I had a, a big cut that needed a bunch of stitches and nuts. And the medics were all like, we saw the crash and you didn't hit your head. What? Where did that come from? And then I couldn't really remember. And then I put two and two together and I was like, oh, yeah, that was a little while ago. Yeah. You're like, show me the run before that. Yeah, but I didn't crash when I did that. When I got the car. But yeah. So then yeah, going into that the, the following year was definitely a good kickstart to a career. Yeah. I think that's such like a huge impact on all of us. Right. Like getting to compete in X games either your first time is just like one of those special moments. Like I remember for me it was in in Vermont Winter X games 2001 and the year before I kind of showed up and just, like, poached it, like I didn't have a pass to ride or anything, kind of like got kicked out and but then the next year I got to come back and how old me, I was 18 and I got to come back and, won a gold at X games. That feels good to say very much. I know for many times it's because there was only one. But I remember like I was only 18, so it was like quite a big deal. Right? And I remember going to this really cool, like kind of after house party and I ran into Tony Hawk, who I'd looked up to as a little grom skater since I was like, Tony Hawk's pro, eight years old. This is before Pro Skater, really, I believe so, 2001. And then I went to the party and was like, Hey Tony! He's like, hey, you're Danny Kass, right? And I was like, oh my God. That was my best moment. And that was the medal that Tony actually remembered my name. That's cool, I know. And I saw him last night. I should have been like, remember who it is, but I didn't. I didn't want to risk it. Got him. Want to risk it. I don't want to ruin it. I was like, you're on such a pedestal, Tony. Like, how old were you at, 2010 X-Games, Jacko? You still want to be 19 yet? Yeah. No, it's just not anything. 19. Yeah. I was, showing my age now. I was a, Yeah, probably a, you know, naughty little 19 year old. Yeah. Went wheel. Yeah, yeah. We were all the worst. Yeah, yeah. It's terrible. Well, this is the 30th anniversary of X-Games and the first in Salt Lake City. What does that legacy mean to you as veterans of the sport? 30 years is a long time. My first X-Games was 20 years ago, so, I haven't competed for a few years. That's because of my mentality. In the beginning was podium or ambulance, and I smashed myself to pieces too many times that I stopped taking the risks like Jacko was doing. Never been done before, tricks and everything. And I just decided it was better to actually ride all year. So I injured a little bit, but I wasn't sending it like I was back in the day because I just wanted medals back then, and I kind of just would do anything to do it. And it didn't pay off a lot of the time. And then those injuries just snowballed. So, yeah, it's, 30 years of X-Games crazy when you watch the highlights. I'm not sure. Is Travis or Tony Hawk the number one moment? I mean, for me, it's Travis doing the double flip. I mean, I would have to say that Travis would be up there. You know, I think something that isn't done, like every year, because yesterday we watched the vert skating and there was a little, I don't know, it was a 9 or 10 year old. He was the little Japanese bird feeder doing. I mean, they're doing 2 or 3, nine hundreds in a row, like they've made it a staple, you know, but they're so light. They could just they fling right up there that's like that. Oh, I don't know. He was working pretty hard. You know, he's working hard, but I just I even said yesterday like the age difference of the competitors is like it's interesting how they could all be allowed. I mean, it makes, you know, I didn't make the rules. But, you know, when you have like a nine year old who or 11 year old versus that's the beauty of skating. I don't care how. They're like, whatever rules you can be in, they can be whatever you compete against. Jacko over here. If you got the right bike. Yeah, yeah, it's probably I think freestyle is a little harder because you need the, the white to, you need to be able to ride a full size motorcycle. Otherwise you want to. Yeah. It'd be cool to see someone on an 85 if they were. I struggle about 350 FS. I wouldn't recommend it on an 85. Yeah, because. What are you guys jumping with? What size bike? 252 sharp. I got, 354 strike. Two strikes is all I need. And you think that's kind of like that muscle peak. And when you develop around like, that kind of 1718 for what? You know, I was probably like motocross 2021. It's a late sprout. You were late. Yeah. Yeah. You still got another growth spurt in you. I yeah, I think it's it's, a lot of it's mental, too, like figuring at the, it's takes a fair bit, a fair bit of knowledge to know what you how things work. I think that's why. Yeah, I did it from a young age. I started touring when I was 13, 14. And, And what size bike? RI. Right. And then I was on an 85 then in those days and hitting the same size jump. Yeah, I was a few feet closer. I was on tour with, yeah, 65ft or something on the KTM for us demons and, taught me great life lessons and what not to do, what not to do. Yeah, no. Like when you're on holidays and you parents point at the person walking out of the liquor store and they don't end up liking you pretty much. Yeah. I mean, I think the X-Games history is just like how it creates this history for our sports. Yeah, it's like I think at one time I was in the Guinness Book of World Records for most medals, and that was only like six. So you guys have blown that out of the water for sure. Yeah. No. Oh my goodness. It cements us like in the history books have the most badass sports out there in the world. It was hard to like coming from Australia. Jacko obviously started when he was younger and was around it a lot more, but as I said, I didn't even watch the X games before I competed, so I was like everything was on my own. I took two, three, four years of showing up at those events, too. You kind of just let the waves of everything and have a format on it, right? And you know who to talk to. If you had a question and stuff, just stuff like that, just being around it because, yeah, there's only three, 4 or 5 contests a year that you were doing. So to get up to speed for people that have been around it their whole lives. It was yeah, that that takes some time. And that's what comes with age. Yeah. Well, I want to do we didn't get to do that yesterday. I want to do the rapid fire. I'm going to give you guys some questions for them. Exactly. So, Jacko, let's start with you. I might take a quick pause after the question because you might eat something you don't want to hear. I want to hear it. Don't want to hear what comes straight. What rider is most likely to land something no one's seen before? Yeah, no. This weekend, Tommy Richards, Tommy Richards or IDLES. Toughest trick to land clean and best trick. Everything in best trick, it's. You've literally rolling the dice and seeing how they land. That's why you see them only do it once in a second. Jumps usually just to show off trick or something nice. I would like to second take a breath after that first big one. Yeah, yeah. Better to go first or last in the final. Final. The best positions last. But my favorite positions first because it's you get it out of the way and you don't have to. You know, if someone else goes down, especially one of your friends, it's pretty tough to get back out there and go off to them. Yeah, it can affect your score going first time. You can. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. Well because it's yeah, I get it. Favorite medal you've won and why the first one you never forget the first one. Yeah. Okay. One word to describe your contest mindset. Get the dog. Yeah. Okay. Wait, wait, what's the dog? The dog. Get the dog. Just get after it. Yeah, after the dog at the top. Okay. All right. You do. You do hook ups. Okay. Bilko, funniest rider in moto scene right now? Besides yourself, I mean, I laugh a lot of Jacko. So at me or with me, it's a bit of both. Yeah, yeah, I'd say, Yeah. Jacko. Mini for a while. I'm tired now. Yeah. So what is the toughest trick to land? Best, the Flying Dutchman. So he's 60 and, Yeah. 960. Do a horse. If you could bring back one old school Moto X event, what would it be? Freestyle on a huge course. Biggest wild card on the quarter pipe. Probably, 40. Craig coming in a couple of years ago. Just. Yeah. Build a sketchy set up in his backyard. So practice on that. Wasn't even, a quarter pipe. And then now he's up there in the medal count. One word to describe the dirt shark. That's two words, but he combines in his one, oh. Nice. That's our house. That's media house Monster. Quick bite. Yeah, that's a good shot. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks for having us. And a, Yeah. Should we get some tattoos? Big shout out to our guy. Yeah, yeah. Big shout out and all love to Dingo. Yeah.